[Marketing] [SoaS] installation fear, was Re: Governance & Trademark in the Wiki
Wade Brainerd
wadetb at gmail.com
Tue Oct 20 19:36:06 EDT 2009
Darn, iPhone hair trigger! :). These comments were about QEMU.
I feel like VirtualBox th the way to go. I use it happily on my PCs
and Macs.
On Oct 20, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com> wrote:
> You need administrator rights to install the accelerator on
> Windows. This is pretty much requires on Windows for it to be usable.
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Dave Bauer <dave.bauer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Sebastian Dziallas <sebastian at when.com
>> > wrote:
>>> Sean DALY wrote:
>>>> Thanks for this Douglas
>>>
>>> This is all great stuff! :) Thanks for drafting these ideas up...
>>>
>>>> I believe virtualbox was chosen since free (beer) and
>>>> multiplatform.
>>>
>>> Well, it was, from what I recall, since VMware isn't free on Macs
>>> and
>>> generally not really open source (though they made some steps in
>>> that
>>> direction). However, the point that has been made on its
>>> portability is
>>> still valid - I'm not sure how portable it currently is.
>>>
>>> So here's the thing. I think we might want to provide additional
>>> solutions with the Blueberry launch; however, I would prefer not to
>>> stretch the SoaS metaphor further than it has already been.
>>>
>>> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/soas/+spec/joint-soas-release
>>>
>>> * VirtualBox might be a possibility. I see there's some portable
>>> version
>>> spreading around, but it seems to be somewhat hack-ish.
>>>
>>> * QEMU doesn't require administrative rights and should work
>>> directly
>>> from USB keys - together with a nice autorun config, this might
>>> already
>>> fit our needs, though it probably doesn't perform as well as
>>> VirtualBox
>>> does (mind you, we're already composing virtual appliances at
>>> build time).
>>>
>> Last I heard QEMU did not have acceleration on Mac OS X so it was
>> pretty unusable. I haven't checked into it lately.
>>
>> Do these have the guest additions or whatever for VMWare and
>> VirtualBox? For a good experience you want to have clipboard and
>> mouse
>> integration with the desktop as well as the video drivers for
>> Virtualbox.
>>
>>
>>> * Moka5 (www.mokafive.com) - that's an interesting possibility,
>>> too, but
>>> is only free for Windows, since it requires VMware Fusion on the
>>> Mac.
>>>
>>>> Sebastian, what do you think about these ideas?
>>>
>>> Well, I think we might want to figure a solution here. Something
>>> interesting would probably also be to have it working both on
>>> Windows
>>> and Macs. If I get a spare minute, I'll think about this and hack
>>> a bit
>>> into it... anybody up to jump in? ;)
>>
>> I can help out with Virtualbox stuff.
>>>
>>> --Sebastian
>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Douglas McClendon
>>>> <dmc.sugar at filteredperception.org> wrote:
>>>>> Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You've mentioned how the website could be improved - the "fine
>>>>>> print".
>>>>>> When you look at the Sugar on a Stick page, what do you think
>>>>>> it could
>>>>>> express better to guide inexperienced users? The single biggest
>>>>>> barrier we face is installation fear - this is how Windows
>>>>>> keeps its
>>>>>> marketshare (with help from proprietary file formats), and why
>>>>>> GNU/Linux desktops have so much difficulty breaking out. Sugar
>>>>>> on a
>>>>>> Stick sidesteps the problem by not touching the hard disk, but
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> indeed require system-specific BIOS fiddling.
>>>>>
>>>>> In response to this, and DancesWithCars autorun html point, I
>>>>> can see
>>>>> possible progress in this direction-
>>>>>
>>>>> a) autorun html. Simple to add technically. I'd opt for pure
>>>>> open source
>>>>> but possibly less compatable simple autorun technique, as
>>>>> opposed to using
>>>>> the various less-free and often closed source autorun helpers.
>>>>>
>>>>> b) the content of the html to be autoran- obviously the sky is
>>>>> the limit,
>>>>> and something marketing is particularly suited for. To the
>>>>> extent that
>>>>> technical information should be contained, there is the
>>>>> LiveDistro wikipedia
>>>>> page, which would be included, as well as a layer above it
>>>>> translated/shrunk
>>>>> into a quickstart version targeted at average parents/teachers.
>>>>>
>>>>> c) other low hanging fruit windows FOSS. Firefox seems worth it
>>>>> if you've
>>>>> got the space. But more importantly qemu, or whatever the best
>>>>> open source
>>>>> windows virtualization solution is (qemu/virtualbox/?). I.e. the
>>>>> webpage
>>>>> should include simple instructions for launching that
>>>>> virtualizaiton
>>>>> targeted at the CD/USB that contains it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, these are all old ideas I brought up with Fedora years ago,
>>>>> but they
>>>>> just aren't that interested, perhaps due to demographics. I.e.
>>>>> sugarlabs
>>>>> demographics would seem to benefit more from these things IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason in my own fedora derivative I haven't spent much time
>>>>> on (C) for
>>>>> instance, is because I personally just really don't care that
>>>>> much about
>>>>> windows. One thing that scares me is how fragile qemu for win32
>>>>> sounded.
>>>>> It looks like virtualbox is gpl and available for win32 but I
>>>>> haven't tried
>>>>> it. As such, I think it would be a good idea to do (C), but not
>>>>> really
>>>>> advertise it as anything but experimental for at least a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, since pygtk appears available for windows ala liveusb-
>>>>> creator, perhaps
>>>>> the best in the long term would be an autorun program that is
>>>>> just a simple
>>>>> pygtk app that can either launch information via a portable
>>>>> firefox install
>>>>> pointed at the html on the stick/cd, or launch the cd/stick
>>>>> virtually under
>>>>> qemu/virtualbox. Or enter a chat session with sugarlabs
>>>>> techsupport. Or
>>>>> launch liveusb-creator (in a mode that pulls the data from the
>>>>> stick if that
>>>>> isn't yet supported. I.e. stick replication)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, thats where I see the lowest hanging fruit for the
>>>>> longterm solution
>>>>> to the problem end-users grokking the whole experience upon first
>>>>> introduction to the product.
>>>>>
>>>>> $0.02...
>>>>>
>>>>> -dmc
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave Bauer
>> dave at solutiongrove.com
>> http://www.solutiongrove.com
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