[Marketing] [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)

[David Van Assche]

This has been the most sobering email yet... practical and logical...
lets see if we can keep going in a constructive route like this....

kind regards,
David

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Caroline Meeks<solutiongrove at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with much of what has been said. Sugar on a Stick should not be
> linked to any one distro.
>
> The way I look at it is there are currently potentially three ways a kid can
> get access to "their" Sugar.
>
> 1. One-to-One Laptops - Each kid gets a laptop.
> 2. Virtualization - When you are connected to the network you have access to
> your Sugar desktop.
> 3. Sugar on a Stick - The kid has a USB or SD Card and carries that around
> for use in different computers.
>
> None of these are inherently distro dependent and as the technology matures
> there are more and more choices for each.
>
> Note that the vision is Sugar on a Stick may reboot the computer and/or the
> same stick may run with a VM or LTSP.
>
> I thought we had decided to use Flavors? i.e. Sugar on a Stick Strawberry is
> our current release and it is based on Fedora 11.
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Sean... u stated it very correctly. Lets leave whats under the hood,
>> there where its supposed to be... we are driving a car, and whether
>> thats a mercedes, bmw or ford really shouldnt matter as long as it
>> drives.... now if u want specific items in your car or u want your car
>> to drive in a particular style and speed, then have a look see what
>> the different car brands do and how they differ.... but just cause u
>> like car X, doesn't mean that is the only term used to describe what
>> it is you are driving...
>>
>> Thats just one simple analogy, but its relevant to just about anything....
>>
>> SoaS = Sugar on a Stick is a generic term that doesn't in any way hint
>> at what distro its aimed for. Thats the reason why I suggested sub
>> SoaS to define distros, like FedSoaS, but whatever... if SoaS is what
>> most people want to brand the fedora SoaS product, go ahead... but
>> it'll confuse people for sure..
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:29 PM, David Van Assche<dvanassche at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ok,
>> >  This is becoming silly...
>> > Fedora nor Sugarlabs (and I think I consider myself quite a central
>> > contributor to sugarlabs) does not have a patent, trademark or
>> > anything else that should somehow allow it to kidnap the term sugar on
>> > a stick, which is a far too generic term to be kidnapped by anyone. I
>> > will, and in public too, call any distribution that contains sugar on
>> > a usb/SD or any other kind of stick Sugar on a stick (SoaS) as that is
>> > what it technically is. I'll end the discussion at that as going any
>> > further is probably going to spiral into something resembling a
>> > non-sensical flame war.
>> >
>> > David Van Assche
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:49 PM, James Zaki<jzgreen at sugarlabs.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >> +1 Bert and others
>> >>
>> >> <my2cents>
>> >> Outside of the opensource world I've seen many non-mainstream groups
>> >> become
>> >> too thinly spread due the many dedicated individuals involved together.
>> >> I've
>> >> seen in first hand in a few different sports, and know of it in a
>> >> couple of
>> >> other examples, such as French left wing political parties.
>> >>
>> >> I dont want to repeat everyone, but I fully agree with SoaS being
>> >> Fedora,
>> >> and other distros a seperate thing for those want to do that.
>> >> If distro support was a task for the sweet sugar people there would be
>> >> less
>> >> resources on actual sugar development.
>> >>
>> >> Forgive me, as I tend to have a habit of stating the obvious.
>> >> James
>> >> </my2cents>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:53:48 +0200
>> >> From: Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release
>> >>        flurry  planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
>> >> To: Sugar-dev Devel <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>> >> Cc: Marketing <Marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> >>>,  IAEP List
>> >>        <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>> >> Message-ID: <4C153F4B-8BB5-4583-A9A2-F5620667A3EA at freudenbergs.de>
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>> >>
>> >> On 18.06.2009, at 20:28, David Van Assche wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Soas = sugar on a stick.... whether that be on Fedora, Suse, debian,
>> >>> or mandriva... they are all the same thing, and I would argue SoaS is
>> >>> NOT a distro... just a dsitribution mechanism... for example, I call
>> >>> my opensuse based sugar on stick SoaS too, as that is technically what
>> >>> it is...
>> >>
>> >> You can call that whatever you want, but please not in public. SoaS
>> >> means a very specific distro, not just any Linux+Sugar slapped onto a
>> >> USB flash drive.
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> I beg everyone's pardon, I was under the impression that SoaS is
>> >>>> Fedora-specific... are there plans to do versions based on other
>> >>>> distros?
>> >>
>> >> No, there are no such plans currently.
>> >>
>> >> IMHO we should not water down the meaning of "SoaS".
>> >>
>> >> - Bert -
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