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The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the
IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who
actually bother to
read, much less participate, in these conversations is a tiny fraction
of that. <br>
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As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is
that it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to
come up with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized
around 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something
referred to as "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred
thousand dollars, at this point. <br>
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With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably
try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added,
dropped, etc. Which entities would you propose should be added, and how
are they related to OLPC and/or Sugar? I also see value in potentially
having a second poster or banner with the "child" entities separated on
to this. This would allow for the re-use of a strictly "sugar labs"
banner at other events, and have at the ready.<br>
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As far as using the OLPC name, I don't think there's anything wrong with
it, in and of itself, as long as it does not cause confusion, which I
personally believe "OLPC 2.0" has the unintended result of doing, at
least in the context of a Linux conference. Reasonable people can
disagree. To me, as a deeply technical person, I think "oh cool, new
OLPC harware" and I think it is reasonable for attendees at a
Linux-oriented conference to have a similar reaction.<br>
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I think it would make sense to have a variety of devices running Sugar
and Sugar On A Stick at the show, including the original OLPC. I
personally think we need to do a better job of explaining what Sugar is,
and why a parent or educational institution might be interested in
having their child use it.<br>
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Hi Again...</div>
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Tony Anderson would like to see us keep this discussion on the iaep
list, and I agree with him. If there are really 240 subscribers, please
let's hear from more of you! This is all about "marketing" Sugar and
everyone should have an interest in that! (See the
PS below)</div>
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Let's discuss the banner. I "created" it back in 2014 with the help of
several other people... I think Tony Anderson and Adam Holt were among
them. The object of calling it "olpc 2.0" was not to any way detract
from "OLPC", as a matter of fact, we still have
a table-size banner with the original OLPC logo and use both of them at
the same time at SCaLE. Think of it as "olpc 2.0" representing all of
the "children" of OLPC! They are the offshoots. "olpc 2.0" is what
brings them all together as one "family" with OLPC
as the "patriarch." Can some one come up with a replacement that
conveys that same spirit? </div>
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Or, we can just keep the "olpc 2.0" and use it on a new banner (you will
notice, we purposely used a different font and rearranged the OLPC
colors). There are many other organizations using "OLPC" in their name..
OLPC-France and OLPC-SF for example, so "olpc
2.0" should not be a problem.</div>
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In addition to having at least one entity that is no longer active, the
current banner is missing several others that have started since 2014
that should be included. It's definitely time for an update. </div>
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The size of the SCaLE booth is 10' by 10' so the banner has to be at
least 8' wide to look good. The current one is made of a lightweight
non-woven fabric that resists wrinkles and can be folded fairly small to
fit in the outside pocket of a suitcase. We took
it that way to LinuxFest Northwest a couple of years ago. It would be
good if any new one we get would be similar so it could be shared, even
by mailing or UPS or FedEx to whomever may need it to have at other
events.</div>
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Alex Perez, if you have a connection that can print for us, great!
Otherwise, we can get bids from several printers. I paid for the two
original banners, "OLPC" and "olpc 2.0", but maybe SugarLabs would like
to sponsor it this time?</div>
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Caryl</div>
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P.S. Remember, "iaep" was an acronym created by Mel Chu to remind us of
what we are are really about. It stands for:
<b>I</b>t's <b>A</b>n <b>E</b>ducation <b>P</b>roject!</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Caryl Bigenho<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; Sameer Verma; Aaron Kaplan;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019</font>
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<div style="background-color:#FFFFFF"><span>Caryl & others,<br>
<br>
</span>I have removed all of the recipients who are already members of
the IAEP mailing list from the CC: list, so they do not receive
duplicate e-mails.<span></span><br>
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I will be in attendance at SCaLE 17x, along with my wife, who is
currently a first grade schoolteacher, and has taught second grade,
kindergarten, and pre-K here in California. Since this is a
volunteer-run, kid-friendly event, it has a fairly different emphasis
than a lot of other Linux-oriented conferences.<br>
<br>
Since there are nearly 240 subscribers to the IAEP mailing list, I would
like to propose we peel off the discussion of the specifics to a
general-purpose "events" mailing list, with only the people who actually
wish to be involved in the specifics of this discussion.
I can set one up easily, and we can continue discussion there.
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
On the subject of the banner, see below...<br>
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Caryl Bigenho wrote:</span><br>
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We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or whether
we might just use the one we already have. See the attached photo of
the booth at SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a design and
order it right away. It always costs less
if you order early. The one in the photo lists most, but not all, of
the various organizations and projects that are offshoots from, or
related to, the old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc
<span class="x___postbox-detected-content x___postbox-detected-date">2.0."</span></div></blockquote>
I am strongly in favor of _not_ re-using this banner, for a few reasons:<br>
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- It has at least one domain on it that is no longer functional<br>
- planet.sugarlabs.org lacks quality content these days, and I really
don't think we should be encouraging people to visit it<br>
- "OLPC 2.0" is a bit of an odd term, and since this was a
proposed/prototyped piece of hardware at one time, if people googles the
term, they get nothing useful. Furthermore, since the OLPC Foundation
still is a legal entity which exists, and holds a current,
valid trademark on OLPC, I am against using it on signage, without the
express written consent of OLPC, Inc, which is based in Miami.<br>
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I would personally prefer to emphasize "Sugar Labs" logo, and have it be
most prominent. If I print the banner, are there any objections to
that? Do you or does anyone else know who created the banner used at
SCaLE 15x? Just curious.<br>
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SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels close
by and they usually offer a small discount to conference attendees.
There is also the possibility of some of us getting together and renting
a large house in the area via AirBnB or one
of the other rental companies. Availability for these right now is
excellent, but I expect they won't last long. If folks would like to do
this, we need to move on it soon.</div>
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Let's make this happen!</div>
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Caryl Bigenho (unofficial SCaLE 19X booth chairperson... unless someone
else wants to do it!)</div></blockquote>
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Hi Folks,</div>
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Enough folks expressed interest in Sugar Labs participating in SCaLE 17X
to warrant signing up for the FREE booth they are offering us. Now, we
have about 10 weeks to "get our act together!"</div>
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We need to decide what aspects of Sugar Labs and other OLPC related
projects we want to show... such as School Servers, Sugarizer, RPi
projects, Music Blocks, XO deployments around the world, etc. We also
need people who know about these things to attend. We
do have a few local volunteers who will help, but some are not always
aware of all the things Sugar Labs does and sometimes are unable to
answer questions.</div>
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We need to decide what specific things to show and recruit people to
come to Pasadena to attend and help out with the booth. SCaLE is like a
gigantic "job fair" and showcase for everything open source. It is also a
really great time to get together and have
fun with other open source advocates from all over the West (and the
world). If you have never been to a SCaLE event, take a look at last
year's program and schedule here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
id="LPNoLP689972" href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/16x">https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/16x</a> You
will be able to see what kind of presentations and activities they have
along with a list of the exhibitors. We did not participate last
year... for the first time in several years). Everyone who comes and
does their share working on the booth will get a FREE
FULL CONFERENCE PASS. Here is the list of the speakers lined up for
2019: <a moz-do-not-send="true" id="LPNoLP416344"
href="http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/17x/speakers">http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/17x/speakers</a></div>
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We also need to decide on a possible new banner for the booth or whether
we might just use the one we already have. See the attached photo of
the booth at SCaLE 15X. If we want a new one, we should get a design and
order it right away. It always costs less
if you order early. The one in the photo lists most, but not all, of
the various organizations and projects that are offshoots from, or
related to, the old OLPC organization. Thus, the title "olpc 2.0."</div>
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color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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color:rgb(0,0,0)">
SCaLE is in Pasadena again this year. There are a couple of hotels close
by and they usually offer a small discount to conference attendees.
There is also the possibility of some of us getting together and renting
a large house in the area via AirBnB or one
of the other rental companies. Availability for these right now is
excellent, but I expect they won't last long. If folks would like to do
this, we need to move on it soon.</div>
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Let's make this happen!</div>
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Caryl Bigenho (unofficial SCaLE 19X booth chairperson... unless someone
else wants to do it!)</div>
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