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<p>Oh! Ok. Thanks for explaining, James! Would it be helpful if I
added some words about this bug to the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation">wiki
article</a> that got me started?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/26/18 1:15 AM, James Cameron
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<pre wrap="">Thanks for the report.
You're hitting a known bug we are working on.
Press F3 key to show the home view, or move the mouse to the corner,
wait for the Frame to appear, and select the home view that way.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html">https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html</a>
The bug was introduced by the Metacity window manager and is being
tracked in several places;
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769#issuecomment-441350118">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769#issuecomment-441350118</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/368">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/368</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042</a>
You can take a screenshot with Alt-1, and it will be added to the
Journal, but it isn't necessary, I know what you've hit.
If you know any developers interested in helping to fix this, send
them to me!
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:04:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful
software.
I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on an old
MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent problems with
that much), and then I followed the instructions I found [1]here:
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Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment
Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type:
sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop
Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop.
==============
I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience that I
see when I go to [2]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>.
When I visit [3]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a> I see two options to click: "New
user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I type a
trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose at least 4
images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click "Next". And now I
see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is one page that has some
common features with my F29/Sugar desktop environment. So I click until I like
a color combination for my trial XO character and then click "Done." Then I see
a spinny icon and shortly afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a
spiral of Activity icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here (what
I think of as the Sugar desktop).
But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar desktop
environment.
When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager in F29
and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" screen.
After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose gender.
After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a grade.
After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at the center
of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at [4]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. I
don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it because the
screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle of a white
screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal
is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying
glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far
left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white
box icon with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read
"Anything" (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select
filter" with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively,
then lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward
and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort view").
I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm looking
at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity icons that I see
at [5]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>.
In [6]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>, I see the same three-ring binder icon just
below the XO character, and when I click on it at [7]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>,
I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop
("Search in journal", white star, "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a
question mark inside a circle, and finally a dot inside a circle on the far
right; and the same three-ring binder icon in the center of the screen above
the words "Your journal is empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to
the spiral of Activity icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no
way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop.
When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook
Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into
this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display
manager.
So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the
Journal activity) look something like what I see at [8]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://">https://</a>
try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be seeing: the Sugar
desktop)?
As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to kill
-9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when I issue
the "[alpha@localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script
sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in either a virtual
console or in the gnome desktop environment running a terminal window. Then I
can login as my kid again and go through the same stuck-in-journal-activity
loop. How do I break out of this loop?
I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender suggested
that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done. Thanks for the
suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too.
Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid does
in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly at [9]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>.
Best,
Kevin
References:
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md</a>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[5] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[6] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[7] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[8] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
[9] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org/">https://try.sugarizer.org/</a>
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