<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Thanks for your suggestion, Dave. I don't think that's the problem though. Fortunately however, I think I may have figured this out. After logging in with my kid's credentials again, I had the same experience of automatically entering the Journal activity again. But I experimented more aggressively this time and discovered that when I drag the pointer to the lower left corner of the display, the existing display shrinks slightly and some new options appear at the periphery of it. The new options are (when I hover over them): "Neighborhood F1", "Group F2", "Home F3", "Activity F4", and "Journal F5" on the top left, my XO character on the top right, and "Wired Network", "My Display", "Speech", "My Audio", and "My Battery" on the bottom right. When I click the dot-in-circle icon ("Home F3"), I'm taken to a screen that has my XO character in the center surrounded by a circle of Activity icons. I think this is the Sugar desktop I'm supposed to see. But why is the default behavior to enter the Journal activity upon logging in? Thanks again. Best, Kevin <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/26/18 1:09 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAEozd0xW3Lgtgiib_FGk1yLH+0rqyoJYmPRFqmULv5uVMjVG_Q@mail.gmail.com"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <div dir="auto">What sugar activity packages did you install vis yum? My guess is you don't have any pulled in as dependencies from sugar-desktop. </div> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 11:05 PM Kevin <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accounts@medical.democrat">accounts@medical.democrat</a> wrote: </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful software. I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on an old MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent problems with that much), and then I followed the instructions I found <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">here</a>: ============== Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type: sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop. ============== I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience that I see when I go to <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. When I visit <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a> I see two options to click: "New user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I type a trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose at least 4 images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click "Next". And now I see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is one page that has some common features with my F29/Sugar desktop environment. So I click until I like a color combination for my trial XO character and then click "Done." Then I see a spinny icon and shortly afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a spiral of Activity icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here (what I think of as the Sugar desktop). But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar desktop environment. When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager in F29 and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" screen. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose gender. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a grade. After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at the center of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. I don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it because the screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle of a white screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white box icon with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read "Anything" (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select filter" with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively, then lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort view"). I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm looking at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity icons that I see at <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. In <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>, I see the same three-ring binder icon just below the XO character, and when I click on it at <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>, I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop ("Search in journal", white star, "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a question mark inside a circle, and finally a dot inside a circle on the far right; and the same three-ring binder icon in the center of the screen above the words "Your journal is empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to the spiral of Activity icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop. When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display manager. So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the Journal activity) look something like what I see at <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a> (which I think is what I'm supposed to be seeing: the Sugar desktop)? As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to kill -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when I issue the "[alpha@localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in either a virtual console or in the gnome desktop environment running a terminal window. Then I can login as my kid again and go through the same stuck-in-journal-activity loop. How do I break out of this loop? I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender suggested that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done. Thanks for the suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too. Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid does in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly at <a class="m_-2544442615780304232moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. Best, Kevin </div> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a></blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>