<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful software. I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on an old MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent problems with that much), and then I followed the instructions I found <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md">here</a>: ============== Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type: sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop. ============== I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience that I see when I go to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. When I visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a> I see two options to click: "New user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I type a trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose at least 4 images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click "Next". And now I see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is one page that has some common features with my F29/Sugar desktop environment. So I click until I like a color combination for my trial XO character and then click "Done." Then I see a spinny icon and shortly afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a spiral of Activity icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here (what I think of as the Sugar desktop). But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar desktop environment. When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager in F29 and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" screen. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose gender. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a grade. After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at the center of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. I don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it because the screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle of a white screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white box icon with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read "Anything" (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select filter" with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively, then lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort view"). I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm looking at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity icons that I see at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. In <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>, I see the same three-ring binder icon just below the XO character, and when I click on it at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>, I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop ("Search in journal", white star, "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a question mark inside a circle, and finally a dot inside a circle on the far right; and the same three-ring binder icon in the center of the screen above the words "Your journal is empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to the spiral of Activity icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop. When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display manager. So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the Journal activity) look something like what I see at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a> (which I think is what I'm supposed to be seeing: the Sugar desktop)? As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to kill -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when I issue the "[alpha@localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in either a virtual console or in the gnome desktop environment running a terminal window. Then I can login as my kid again and go through the same stuck-in-journal-activity loop. How do I break out of this loop? I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender suggested that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done. Thanks for the suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too. Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid does in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://try.sugarizer.org">https://try.sugarizer.org</a>. Best, Kevin </body> </html>