<div dir="ltr">Dear Community,<div><br></div><div>I just want to underline to the community that I have accepted Bert's decision:</div><div><br></div><div>On October 24 Bert wrote to SLOBs:</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What I would recommend is something like a public statement by the SLOBs that calls for starting a civilized, courteous discussion despite all the personal differences. To prepare that statement, the SLOBs would have to make peace with each other first - especially Walter and Laura. You folks will still have differences, but if you don't even try to have a courteous discussion, you can as well just give up on the project completely. Nobody wants that, so trying to work with each other even though you may never agree on some points is the only option.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">How does that sound to all of you?</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">"</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">On October 30 me, Laura replied:</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I agree with your advice and I volunteer to start a public statement by the SLOBs that calls for starting civilized, courteous discussions about </span><a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board#Agenda_items" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Sugar Labs pending topics.</a></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Still, in my opinion, not until Sugar Labs Oversight Board states clear definitions of what is considered aggression, harassment, bullying and discrimination within Sugar Labs public spaces, Sugar Labs will be a welcoming place for anyone, specially for children and families:"</span></div></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">No other SLOB has make any remarks on this.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I do hope for Sugar Labs to be a friendly community for children and families and this is my purpose. </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Regards and blessings</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Laura Vargas</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-03 17:35 GMT-05:00 Bert Freudenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank">bert@freudenbergs.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Dear Laura, Caryl, all.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I have tried for the past 4 weeks to mediate between you and Caryl, and some other outspoken members of the Sugar Labs community.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Unfortunately, I have failed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">My decision in this arbitration was to not give Caryl a warning, but to call for a more polite tone in the community in general. I also tried to make Laura and others aware of how impolite or even aggressive their past communication was. Some have admitted to being overly aggressive at times, and promised to try better. Others see nothing wrong with their behavior and keep pushing aggressively for their goals, no matter the cost. Laura has not accepted my decision.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I am unable to do fulfill my role as Ombudsperson if the community does not want to heal the wounds and start over. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">That is why I am resigning. I am very sorry.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I wish you all the best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Bert Freudenberg</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div>Dear Ombudsman,<br><br></div>On <a href="http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-10-06T19:00:31" target="_blank">yesterday's meeting</a> I was publicly remarked by Walter Bender as having made a "charge of harassment" twice:<br><br>19:02 walterbender Before we get to the agenda, I just want to report publicly that I am in touch with our ombudsman and he is investigating the charge of harassment.<br><br>19:10 walterbender kaametza: we are in the process of arbitrating a charge of harassment issued after your motion, but based upon procedures outlined years ago.<br><br><br></div><b>Clearly I haven't present any charge of harassment. I only requested an arbitration process because I felt I was disrespected. <br><br></b></div><div>This evidences the lack of objectivity Walter has toward me.<br> <b><br></b></div><b>Please, I do request Walter Bender to recuse himself from this arbitration process. <br><br></b><br></div><div>Regards,<br><br></div><div>Laura Victoria <br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-8329873904618451055h5">2017-10-06 3:02 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span>:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-8329873904618451055h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br>Seven years ago back in 2010, the systems labs team in the city of Puno (by the Titicaca Lake) had implemented a customized Debian distribution that allow them to have "Two Children Per Computer" by simply adding one additional Screen and one additional Keyboard.<br><br><b>Yes, it is true: I do not agree with the premise of "Una Computadora Por Niño" because I have seen technology to do better than that. </b><br><br><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">This way of thinking has brought me many </span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-short_text" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">challenge</span></span>s and opposition, like Caryl's. <br></span></span><br><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">With Caryl's
communication of <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-October/020292.html" target="_blank">October 4, 2017</a>, </span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">I feel I have been disrespected and also has Sebastian. <br><br>Although this is not the first time/event where I have received</span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"> on behalf of
Caryl Beringho</span></span> words that cause me discomfort, it is with her October 4, 2017 communication</span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">, that Caryl goes beyond the line of what is
"acceptable in our culture" by referring to the behavior that Sebastian
and / or I must/should have with respect to our mothers.</span></span><br><br></div><div>In Latin culture, we value deeply the roll of the mother. Not only our biological mothers but also our great mother earth. To use or call the name of someone's mother to mock or silent a person is extremely rude and disrespectful. <br><br>Please see the reference: <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tu_madre" target="_blank">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki<wbr>/tu_madre</a></div><div><br><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">What I interpret
in the best of cases is that Caryl's intention was</span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"> </span></span>to mock and/or
ridicule our initiative to upgrade the Code of Conduct.<br><br></span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">As this is a community that depends on the existence, participation and well-being of the children we serve: <br><br></span></span></span></span></div><div><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">I do not approve Caryl's lack of respect to me and Sebastian </span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">on her October 4, 2017 communication, nor her reluctance to accept this community has active children participating. </span></span><br><br></span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"></span></span></div><div><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"></span></span></div><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"></span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"></span></span>I hope for the Board to call for a neutral <span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">RESPONSE TEAM to address my request, specifically I ask <b>all board/community members conflicted with my statement about the "Una Computadora Por Niño" premise to recuse themselves from this RESPONSE TEAM and/or this arbitration process.</b></span></span><br></div><br><div><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"></span></span><div><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-">Back to work now.<br></span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"><br>As</span></span><span id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-result_box" class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260gmail-"> </span></span>David Ally recently shared, children of the world need us!</div><div><div><div><br><br></div><div>Laura Victoria<br></div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-05 6:22 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260h5">On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear SLOBs and community members;<br><br></div><div>cc Ombusman<br><br></div><div><br>We need to clearly state every member when interacting within the Sugar Labs project channels is expected to serve as an example for children.<br><br>This is logical as within Sugar Labs, children make software, documentation, art, testing, etc. <br><br><b><br></b></div><div><b>I am sad because today, again, me and my family have been mistreated on a Sugar Labs mailing list by a Sugar Labs member.<br><br></b></div><div>I am sad because our Code of Conduct is not sufficient to deal with these situations and other than Walter no other SLOB notice me needing the addition of the anti-harassment Policy earlier.<br><br></div><div>It is necessary we make a <b>list of acceptable and unacceptably behaviors within Sugar Labs communication channels </b>so we can add that to the Sugar Labs Code of Conduct.<br><br></div>In this case Caryl might be unaware: in our culture, it is completely unacceptable to mention someone's mother.<div><br></div>Sebastian's mother is my mother in law, a real person. <br><div><br><br></div><div>So my petition is: to send Caryl a first warning for moderation and a suggestion to apologize to Sebastian.</div><div><br><br></div><div>Thank you for your consideration.<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Laura V<br><br><br></div><div><br>2017-10-04 19:34 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>In my culture and, possibly in James's culture, accusations such as this one you are making against James, and the one Laura made against me a few weeks ago, are considered "harassment"... actually, extreme harassment.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Caryl,<br><br></div><div>We are far from understanding what your culture is.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260m_3880562095851437185m_167376248265801054gmail-m_-2198165125411844630divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols" dir="ltr"><p>You are denying us the freedom to express
our opinions or feelings in a rational way without fearing reprisals and intimidation as what the two of you have chosen to do. </p>
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<p>We are all adults here (at least will be after Samson turns 18 on Halloween <span>😊 ). It's time we start acting like adults and stop "running to Mommie!"</span></p>
<p><span></span><span></span><span></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In my culture you can be a "Grannie" but it would still be<b> extremelly rude and disrespectful</b>l to talk about someone's mother.<br><br></div><div>I may have to make you realize this person you are talking about actually exists!<br><br></div><div>We are a family.<br><br><br><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div id="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260m_3880562095851437185m_167376248265801054gmail-m_-2198165125411844630divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols" dir="ltr"><p><span>GrannieB</span>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Cameron; Laura Vargas<br>
<b>Cc:</b> iaep; SLOBs<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IAEP] Improving our Code of Conduct (was: Re: Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs)</font>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I had asked that we discuss changes to our Code of Conduct in <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Conduct" target="_blank">
a wiki page</a> I have worked on, where I put the result of a lot of research.</p>
<p>The time I spent, back in January, on this document, is because I myself felt not only harassed but threatened. It came as a realization then, that perhaps more people have had similar experiences and have abandoned Sugar Labs because they were less tenacious
than others. Hopefully you'll find the references I put there (beyond geek feminism) interesting. They represent a broad spectrum of approaches to making a community more welcoming.<br>
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<p>I found our <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct" target="_blank">
current Code of Conduct</a> was not sufficient because (1) it is vague and difficult to evaluate when it's been infringed. Cultures vary widely with regard to what is
<i>considerate</i>, <i>respectful</i>, <i>collaborative</i>, and <i>flexible</i>. It would be much better if specific acceptable or not acceptable behaviors were listed. (2) There is no defined procedure on how to report a problem and what the expected outcome,
timeline, or response could be. (3) There's no defined solution or action such as warning or temporarily moderating a person to signal bad behavior.</p>
<p>James, you insist on victimizing yourself and have a confrontational form of writing. Perhaps I'm misreading you. Please improve your tone. I have only seen vague complaints on the alleged dispute (<i>"rate of posting and Wiki editing"</i>, and
<i>"use of many paths to achieve your goals"</i>).<br>
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<p>If all of this is because I had the audacity to merge an icon, I feel your attitude is disproportionate, unfair and itself sufficient for a complaint. Trying to flag my github profile seems particularly aggressive and harmful, considering the market use
of such profiles.<br>
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<p>The trademarked icon has already been reinstated in master branch, but my valid concern (that neither Sugar Labs nor downstream distributors have permission to use it), has not been resolved. I raised the same question openly in 2016, and
<a href="http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2016-04-01T19:01:31#i_2864254" target="_blank">
you responded with sarcasm</a>. I don't think this is acceptable.<br>
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<p>At the moment I don't support Laura's motion because I think it's necessary to write something more specific for Sugar Labs, taking into consideration the other references listed in the page at the least.<br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Sebastian<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br>Laura,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Your claim of harassment is very serious and the oversight board will take it very seriously. Please provide to the board any supporting materials you may have to back up your claim. Of course you understand why you must recuse yourself from the deliberations of the board on this matter. We will be in touch.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">regards.</div><span class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-walter</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-8329873904618451055m_-2551385334217420636gmail-m_-4334423530896940260m_3880562095851437185gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br><font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div><div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font></font></a><br></div></div></div>
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