<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I apologize on behalf of everyone who has been hurt unintentionally by the words of others. All concerned should please accept this apology and let's rest the cases here.</div><div><br></div><div>It is a new world of diversity etc, and we all differ in some ways we have come to accept as okay, but much more than that, we are all humans!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance for putting to rest all these cases. Children of the world need us!<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards!</div><div>David<br></div>
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On Thursday, October 5, 2017, 4:01:21 AM GMT+1, Laura Vargas <laura@somosazucar.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv1507182685"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear SLOBs and community members;<br><br></div><div>cc Ombusman<br><br></div><div><br>We need to clearly state every member when interacting within the Sugar Labs project channels is expected to serve as an example for children.<br><br>This is logical as within Sugar Labs, children make software, documentation, art, testing, etc. <br><br><b><br></b></div><div><b>I am sad because today, again, me and my family have been mistreated on a Sugar Labs mailing list by a Sugar Labs member.<br><br></b></div><div>I am sad because our Code of Conduct is not sufficient to deal with these situations and other than Walter no other SLOB notice me needing the addition of the anti-harassment Policy earlier.<br><br></div><div>It is necessary we make a <b>list of acceptable and unacceptably behaviors within Sugar Labs communication channels </b>so we can add that to the Sugar Labs Code of Conduct.<br><br></div>In this case Caryl might be unaware: in our culture, it is completely unacceptable to mention someone's mother.<div><br></div>Sebastian's mother is my mother in law, a real person. <br><div><br><br></div><div>So my petition is: to send Caryl a first warning for moderation and a suggestion to apologize to Sebastian.</div><div><br><br></div><div>Thank you for your consideration.<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Laura V<br><br><br></div><div><br>2017-10-04 19:34 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br><div><div><div class="yiv1507182685gmail_extra"><div class="yiv1507182685gmail_quote"><blockquote class="yiv1507182685gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
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<p>Sebastian, </p>
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<p>In my culture and, possibly in James's culture, accusations such as this one you are making against James, and the one Laura made against me a few weeks ago, are considered "harassment"... actually, extreme harassment.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Caryl,<br><br></div><div>We are far from understanding what your culture is.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="yiv1507182685gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div id="yiv1507182685gmail-m_-2198165125411844630divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, Helvetica, EmojiFont,;" dir="ltr"><p>You are denying us the freedom to express
our opinions or feelings in a rational way without fearing reprisals and intimidation as what the two of you have chosen to do. </p>
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<p>We are all adults here (at least will be after Samson turns 18 on Halloween <span>😊 ). It's time we start acting like adults and stop "running to Mommie!"</span></p>
<p><span></span><span></span><span></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In my culture you can be a "Grannie" but it would still be<b> extremelly rude and disrespectful</b>l to talk about someone's mother.<br><br></div><div>I may have to make you realize this person you are talking about actually exists!<br><br></div><div>We are a family.<br><br><br><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="yiv1507182685gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div id="yiv1507182685gmail-m_-2198165125411844630divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, Helvetica, EmojiFont,;" dir="ltr"><p><span>GrannieB</span>
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<div id="yiv1507182685gmail-m_-2198165125411844630divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> IAEP <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs. org</a>> on behalf of Sebastian Silva <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Cameron; Laura Vargas<br>
<b>Cc:</b> iaep; SLOBs<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IAEP] Improving our Code of Conduct (was: Re: Code of Conduct Motion to add Anti-harassment policy - Sugar Labs)</font>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I had asked that we discuss changes to our Code of Conduct in <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Conduct">
a wiki page</a> I have worked on, where I put the result of a lot of research.</p>
<p>The time I spent, back in January, on this document, is because I myself felt not only harassed but threatened. It came as a realization then, that perhaps more people have had similar experiences and have abandoned Sugar Labs because they were less tenacious
than others. Hopefully you'll find the references I put there (beyond geek feminism) interesting. They represent a broad spectrum of approaches to making a community more welcoming.<br>
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<p>I found our <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct">
current Code of Conduct</a> was not sufficient because (1) it is vague and difficult to evaluate when it's been infringed. Cultures vary widely with regard to what is
<i>considerate</i>, <i>respectful</i>, <i>collaborative</i>, and <i>flexible</i>. It would be much better if specific acceptable or not acceptable behaviors were listed. (2) There is no defined procedure on how to report a problem and what the expected outcome,
timeline, or response could be. (3) There's no defined solution or action such as warning or temporarily moderating a person to signal bad behavior.</p>
<p>James, you insist on victimizing yourself and have a confrontational form of writing. Perhaps I'm misreading you. Please improve your tone. I have only seen vague complaints on the alleged dispute (<i>"rate of posting and Wiki editing"</i>, and
<i>"use of many paths to achieve your goals"</i>).<br>
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<p>If all of this is because I had the audacity to merge an icon, I feel your attitude is disproportionate, unfair and itself sufficient for a complaint. Trying to flag my github profile seems particularly aggressive and harmful, considering the market use
of such profiles.<br>
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<p>The trademarked icon has already been reinstated in master branch, but my valid concern (that neither Sugar Labs nor downstream distributors have permission to use it), has not been resolved. I raised the same question openly in 2016, and
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you responded with sarcasm</a>. I don't think this is acceptable.<br>
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<p>At the moment I don't support Laura's motion because I think it's necessary to write something more specific for Sugar Labs, taking into consideration the other references listed in the page at the least.<br>
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