<div dir="ltr">Lionel, any plans for Scratch 3.0 in Sugarizer?<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lionel Laské <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lionel.laske@gmail.com" target="_blank">lionel.laske@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Caryl,<br><br></div>Thanks for your support to Sugarizer.</div><div>I remember your Sugarizer Primero idea and as I said to you I'm agree to help you as possible.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is a short description of our Sugarizer deployment this year (I'm CC Bastien so he could give more information):</div>- The deployment was in a CM1 class in French so Grade 4 for US.</div><div>- The deployment was between February 2017 and July 2017<br></div>- We've deployed 25 tablets Lenovo A10-30 tablets with a supplementary microSD 16Gb card with <br></div><div>- Each tablet has a protection and we later add a headphone and a bluetooth keyboard for each<br></div>- Sugarizer OS - so Sugarizer as an Android launcher - v0.8 was deployed on all tablets, we've also included 82 Android activities. Most famous are: GCompris, ScratchJr and Wikipedia. The list was decided by Sandrine, our education specialist.<br></div>- The school had no internet access, we planned to deploy a Sugarizer Server on a RaspberryPI with a bunch of content but we didn't had time to finalize it<br></div>- The main work done by the teacher with the tablets was:<br></div> * Mind mapping using the Sugarizer Labyrinth activity<br></div> * Scratch using ScratchJR application<br></div> * E-book creation using BookCreator application<br></div>- Sandrine had regular contacts with the teacher during the year. We had few meetings with her too and we had a meeting with parents at the end of the year<br><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>We're starting these days a new deployment in another school with 10 tablets (same model). AFAK these tablets will not be dedicated to a specific grade this time.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div> Lionel.<br></div><div><br><div><br><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-24 20:52 GMT+02:00 Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir="ltr"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji',NotoColorEmoji,'Segoe UI Symbol','Android Emoji',EmojiSymbols"> <p>Hi Walter,<br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just made our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking our stuff. <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing? <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only working in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local university! She really knows her stuff! <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most successful users of Sugar in the schools she worked with. Her school, which we visited at the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ... not so much. Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do that, it would be good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other languages. <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math) SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer🎵 (Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.<br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks out... testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and the like. I also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has his PhD in Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard sell" on things like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Caryl</p> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Caryl Bigenho<br> <b>Cc:</b> Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; Laura Vargas; <a href="mailto:ignacio@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">ignacio@sugarlabs.org</a>; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited</font> <div> </div> </div><div><div class="m_377277883651171406h5"> <div> <div dir="ltr"><br> <div class="gmail_extra"><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152m_-2235217236792453949divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji',NotoColorEmoji,'Segoe UI Symbol','Android Emoji',EmojiSymbols"> <p>Hi Folks... <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy and overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°. </p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div>Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P</div> <div> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152m_-2235217236792453949divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji',NotoColorEmoji,'Segoe UI Symbol','Android Emoji',EmojiSymbols"> <p>I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and suggestions, especially from those of you who have been interested in and working with Sugarizer and those of you who are candidates for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board.</p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>I undestand that Lionel is in the midst of his first pilot test of Sugarizer in a school, although I don't know any of the specifics. It would seem we should consider what he learns from the pilot before executing a plan such as you describe. In the meantime, we should be able to gather some data from the Ceibal team that is already on the ground in UY and in daily contact with teachers and students. Lots we can learn from them.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>regards.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>-walter</div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152m_-2235217236792453949divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji',NotoColorEmoji,'Segoe UI Symbol','Android Emoji',EmojiSymbols"> <p><br> </p> <p>I look forward to a discussion about how we could best make something like this happen to bring the magic of Sugar to children everywhere.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Caryl<br> </p> <p><br> </p> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152m_-2235217236792453949divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Caryl Bigenho on behalf of Caryl Bigenho <<a href="mailto:caryl@laptop.org" target="_blank">caryl@laptop.org</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 9:51:32 PM<br> <b>To:</b> iaep; Adam Holt; Walter Bender; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma; Lionel Laske; Laura Vargas; <a href="mailto:ignacio@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">ignacio@sugarlabs.org</a>; Tony Anderson; James Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard<br> <b>Subject:</b> Sugarizer1° Revisited</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div class="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152h5"> <div> <div id="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152m_-2235217236792453949divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,Helvetica,EmojiFont,'Apple Color Emoji','Segoe UI Emoji',NotoColorEmoji,'Segoe UI Symbol','Android Emoji',EmojiSymbols"> <div>Hello All,<br> <br> I think somewhere some of the people of SugarLabs have “lost their way.” When I joined the OLPC support-gang nearly ten years ago and, later, Sugar Labs I was excited by the concept of bringing collaborative, constructionism to children’s learning all over the world. Later, as the XOs were no longer readily available, Lionel’s idea of “Sugar on any device” promised an exciting way that this could still actually happen.<br> <br> <b>Now, I am seeing an attempt by <u>a few individuals</u> to usurp all this and drive the program to just a few chosen areas. I believe this is wrong! I believe this should be a world-wide movement to improve education of children everywhere! I also believe many of you agree with me.</b><br> <br> A couple of summers ago I proposed, via a motion, a project that I felt would help fulfill that original vision of bringing the magic of learning with Sugar to children all over the world. It addressed what have been some of the weaknesses in prior projects… principally not meeting the perceived needs of children, parents and teachers. Without doing that (which was done, masterfully, in Uruguay), Sugar just won’t get used. The prospective users have to want to use it. They have to see it as the powerful educational tool that it is.<br> <br> My proposed project would start small, with a special version of Sugarizer designed just for children in the first 2 or 3 years of school. It would begin with a survey of students and teachers in Uruguay who had used Sugar Activities in the Project Ceibal program. After finding a small number of favorite Activities, say ten to twelve, the first version would be produced in both Spanish and English. It would be called Sugarizer1°, or Sugarizer Primero because it would be designed especially for children in the "primary grades".<br> <br> When the first versions were ready, they would be tested by children, teachers, and parents using all sorts of devices. Surveys to find favorite Activities would be done. Ways to use them with classroom lessons would be found. Ways to enhance learning at home would be found. Fun things to do with Sugar as a family would be found. Documentation of all this would be made universally available online. Versions in other languages would be added at this point. French would be logical then possibly Hindi, Arabic, and Chinese. Other smaller language groups could also be served such as Haitian Creole, Aymara, and the like. <br> <br> For the regular Release Candidate, an energetic “Marketing campaign” would be needed with Sugar Labs volunteers going to all sorts of educational and open source fairs and conferences, presenting at teacher education institutions, and the like. Getting some of the teachers, students, and parents from the beta testing stage to write articles, blogs, and the like about their experiences would help. Some travel expenses might be incurred and some stipends for writers might be appropriate.<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>As you can see in the paragraph above, many of these steps should cost money. For example, a coordinating teacher in Uruguay should be paid to conduct the studies there (logically this would be Rosamel Ramirez). Possibly educators who work for us as documentation writers should be paid. Etc. Etc. Etc. <br> <br> This proposal needs lots of work. It did 2 summers ago and it still does. If others tell me they also feel that <b>the Magic of Sugar should be for children everywhere</b>, I’ll proceed to produce a good formal motion to the board. If there is no interest, I won’t waste any more time on it (planning and writing this would take many hours of thought, research, and discussion with other Sugar Labs members).<br> <br> What do you all think???<br> <br> Caryl<br> <br> P.S. the logo for Sugarizer1° would still be the cute little XO man! He is recognized by people all over the world and thus has lots of value as a marketing tool. <b>It would be foolish to replace him with anything else.</b></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear="all"> <div><br> </div> -- <br> <div class="m_377277883651171406m_3255461647040822152gmail_signature"> <div dir="ltr"> <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br> <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div> <div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font></font></a><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div></div> </div> </blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>