<div dir="ltr">According to the result of this motion, sugar-artwork repository should be updated.<div><br></div><div>Gonzalo</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Samuel Greenfeld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" target="_blank">samuel@greenfeld.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Sameer; if we want to debate this, this really needs a lawyer's opinion. Either that or just asking OLPC Inc. what they consider acceptable.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>In fact, getting a lawyer's opinion is exactly what we are doing. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div>Sugar has been using the XO logo for approximately 11 years now. My non-lawyer opinion is that if someone was to complain, they would be barred by estoppel for having known about it, but failing to make a claim in a timely manner.<br></div><div><br></div>By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot be distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat, and Ubuntu cannot be distributed because it contains the name and logos owned by Canonical?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_8608870539451488304h5">On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Sebastian Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_8608870539451488304h5">
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<div class="m_8608870539451488304m_-3242122612888430505m_-8457177234732377544moz-cite-prefix">On 15/09/17 09:12, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-size:12.8px">(A2) Sugar Artwork, including the
xo-computer icon, is currently licensed under the GPL and we
would like our downstream users to be able to use all of our
artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use of
any trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no
opinion.</span></blockquote>
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There is a (hopefully not intentional?) flaw in this answer. The
board was in a rush to pass the motion, but it should be more
careful when communicating with our legal counsel.<br>
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SLOBs, please clarify:<br>
<blockquote>"(...) <span style="font-size:12.8px">we would like our
downstream users to be able to use all of our artwork under the
terms of that license</span> (GPL)"<br>
</blockquote>
Sugar Labs does not distribute Sugar to end users. Instead it
distributes Sugar to distributors (Debian, Fedora) who have their
own downstream projects (OLPC, Trisquel, Ubuntu). In turn these
distributions are often bundled with hardware vendors products or
local service provider's services: <b>These last groups are the
most threatened by a potential Trademark dispute.</b><b><br>
</b><br>
Does restricting the answer to "users" mean Sugar Labs Oversight
Board does not care about these actor's freedoms?<br>
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Please also clarify:<span><br>
<blockquote>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">As far as the use of any
trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no
opinion.</span>
"<br>
</blockquote></span>
This is contradictory with the previous statement. The terms of the
GPL provide for licensees to be able to use the source for <i>any
purpose.</i> A Trademarked logo cannot be used for any purpose.
This is basically the legal reason to keep any Trademark out of the
Sugar User Interface. <i><br>
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Regards and happy Software Freedom Day to all,<br>
<br>
Sebastian<br>
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