<div dir="ltr">Okay, i heard you.<div><br></div><div>I think me replying to some statements will create more discussion, so i wouldn't.<br><div><br></div><div>Could it be seconded, as walter suggested so that it could be voted upon?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>SG</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June 11/12.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.</div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_2042571317073630654quoted-text">On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Please excuse the top post.<div><br></div><div>I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel, and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US<span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755money">$800</span> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second it so we can vote?</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></span><div dir="auto">Humbly Disagree.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.</div></div></blockquote></div><div>I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process. </div><div class="m_2042571317073630654quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(2) Obtain up to <span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755money">$500</span> to that specific end.</div></div></blockquote></div><div>$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate, compare to $500. </div><div><br></div><div>My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?</div><div><br></div><div>Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190 naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325 naira. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300 if the economy turn worst. </div><div><br></div><div>So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.<br></div><div class="m_2042571317073630654quoted-text"><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — <i>by saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.</i></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>But could this be voted on, as walter suggested? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Respecting All,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Adam</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>BR</div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Samson </div></font><div class="m_2042571317073630654elided-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-h5"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>regards.<br></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-walter</div></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755elided-text">On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755elided-text"><div dir="auto"><span><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quoted-text">On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><div>This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay <span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411money">$800</span> for a visa alone.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Flight and other things connected.</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't ready yet...)<br><br></div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><div>Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims have insinuated.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I am a Nigerian, you are not.</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br><div>Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in
Lagos: (Lekki, by Lagos Island, I know it well)<br><br> <a href="http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701" target="_blank">http://airbnb.com/rooms/136397<wbr>01</a><br><br></div><div>Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself but there are in fact options in every price range.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span><div dir="auto">Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people like me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even let me try it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It may sound crazy but that how it is.</div><span><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div></div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more resourceful than most imagine.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span><div dir="auto">Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.</div><span><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quoted-text"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><div>As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- <i>AGAINST THIS MOTION with respect for all and malice toward none</i> -- up until the point where:<br><br></div><div>1) The total is reduced to <span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411money">$500</span> (receipts provided per SFConservancy policies).<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">If <span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411money">$800</span> can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan. Half is better than none.</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they had this opportunity!<br></div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quoted-text"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411elided-text"><div></div><div>2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-<span class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665m_-3144220155396812971gmail-m_4771798716534985411money">$500</span> ?)<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></span><div dir="auto">Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is purely for reimbursement.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2042571317073630654m_-7474566296848512439gmail-m_-3996768230197644755m_-4332921274985976557m_-3494524747493475665quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Onwards & Upwards ~</div></div></div></div><span>
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IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br>
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