<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Adam,</div><div><br></div><div>As you requested, i already made it clear to the scratch community about the funding and reimbursement. I also forwarded our last mail to them, so that they can see the situation about what is going on in Sugar Labs about the motion. They already approve to send 500 euros to me, to cover ibiam's passport first and some local flight bookings. They know the risk, if they didn't agree i won't mail the first place.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Frankly speaking $2,800 is the cheapest budget i and ibiam came up with based on my own proposed funding from the scratch community.</div><div><br></div><div>Please note. 1 Euro = 353 Nigerian naira, this might sounds funny but this means things are expensive in Nigeria locally. You could do some googling. $2,800 might sounds as a big deal to people leaving in the US or use Dollars as their main currency but it doesn't work here in Nigeria. </div><div><br></div><div><b>Note:</b> Remember we are converting this money to naira in other to spend them in Nigeria</div><div><br></div><div>Things are more expensive here than in the U.S, my internet plan is almost $100/month. Also the Proposed TA day in Nigeria that was proposed last year didn't really work at because of the exchange rate in the country. FYI iphone 7 was once sold for $2,300 in Nigeria. So this is why technically speaking this is the cheapest budget that can funds us locally and also internationally to france.</div><div><br></div><div>I also mail SFC this is from Karen </div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">Hi Samson,</span></div><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Thanks for keeping us in the loop! If the motion is approved, we'll work to find a solution, paying by card whatever we can and exploring other options for the rest. I leave it up to Adam, as he's the authorized representative for Sugar, but it could be helpful for SLOBs to also specifically agree to the cash advance, as it puts Sugar's money more at risk than the usual approval.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">"<div>i think i already explained how and what the $2,800 stands for in our proposal. The Scratch community <br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail-">On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hello Adam,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The scratch community agrees to cover the <span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898money">$2,800</span> then get reimbursed as you suggest.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>If Sugar Labs were to approve some such funds, does Scratch understand the risks that one or more visa might be denied by the French govt, and as such they might not be reimbursed at all?<br><br>How do we get this (or similar) in writing, so as avoid painfully unecessary he-said/she-said conflicts between Scratch and Sugar Labs, when the risk that visa(s) are denied remains real in the utmost?<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><span class="gmail-"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that SFC can be inform about the reimbursement. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is around ~ €2200.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>€2200<span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"> is about $2500, seemingly almost covering the very large $2800 requested sum. Does this mean Sugar Labs' funds are in the end somewhat incidental?<br><br></span><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-">Or is this possibly a $2500 + $2800 trip?</span></span></span></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><br><br></span></span></span></span>That would be astonishingly expensive if so, but in any case can you clarify fully+precisely who is risking how much money might disappear under different circumstances, and how this will be mitigated? However unfortunate it would be if France denies visa(s) to you and/or </span><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-">Ibiam <span style="font-size:12.8px">Chihurumnaya<span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-">.<br></span></span></span></div><span class="gmail-"><div><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><span style="font-size:12.8px"></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-"><br></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">So i hope i have answer all questions.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>It bears reminding that you are requesting a much higher expenditure
than Laura Vargas' recently requested ($500) on a proven multiyear Peru community project. Honoring everyone's hard work as much as we can, I personally cannot vote for Sugar Labs to approve $2800 (or clarify precise sums) unless there are guarantees (with teeth) that funds (as noble as they may be) won't be lost. And/or what precisely happens when funds are in fact lost. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Very Respectfully - thanks to Scratch investors, <span class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-">Ibiam<span>, Sams</span>on & All~<br></span></div><span class="gmail-"><div><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt" <<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quoted-text">On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quoted-text"><span>On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quoted-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><span></span><div class="gmail_quote"><span></span><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend. Likely an individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas approved? Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts / diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will be approved?</div></blockquote></span><br><span></span><span></span><div>More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved. A single applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French government might be the best way.<br><br></div><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance, so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear. Not reassuring when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event. But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if nothing goes wrong with the visa? </div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.<br><br></div><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?<br></div></blockquote></span><div>I don't understand, could you explain more. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO, <a href="http://scratch.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://scratch.mit.edu</a> and/or a formal report?<br><br>(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just social media, but that could be one part of it!)<br></div><div class="gmail-m_6657980043739177343gmail-m_-950597640656530898quoted-text"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered to contribute?<br></div></blockquote></span><div>They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel, foods and visa.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?</div></div></div></div>
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