<div dir="auto">Thank you Tony, you just explained everything. But one problem Adam and Laura outlined that SFC have some rules, i don't know if someone can communicate with them.<div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">Samson</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On May 21, 2017 5:13 AM, "Tony Anderson" <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-cite-prefix">The only advice is to get busy with the visa application. It takes a minimum of 15 days to process. The step by step is outlined on those websites. The main point it that they must spend a day in Lagos up front filling out the visa application. In my experience this is like renewing a driver's license - you don't make an appointment, you just go there and follow the instructions. They can find out before they go to Lagos what they need to bring: passport, birth certificate, extra passport photos and so on. They will then to return to Lagos to get the completed visa (normally the passport is kept by the consulate during the 15 days). Personally, since we seem to be willing to fund individuals for past contributions to Sugar Labs, I think the contributions of Samson and Ibiam are indisputable. It should be funded on that basis alone. Tony On 05/21/2017 11:14 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <div id="m_-1925372099100098428x_divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> Hi Tony, These two guys seem to have their acts together on this one but are having difficulty getting it approved because people feel they may not be able to get all their "ducks in a row" in time to make it happen. If there is any help you can give them... advice, people to talk to to get it ready etc. it would be really great. They still lack one SLOB vote for approval. Too bad Samson can't vote for his own proposal 😏 Caryl </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id="m_-1925372099100098428x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr">From: IAEP <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> on behalf of Tony Anderson <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><tony_anderson@usa.net></a> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 5:49:05 PM To: <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt) <div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="m_-1925372099100098428PlainText">Samson and Ibiam will need a Shengen visa (<a href="https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/" target="_blank">https://buzznigeria.com/schengen-visa/</a>). This is handled by the Consulate of France in Nigeria in Lagos (<a href="http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/" target="_blank">http://www.vfsglobal.com/France/Nigeria/</a>) I would recommend they add a couple of days to the trip to visit Paris. They could fly to Paris de Gaulle, take the train to Bordeaux (leaves from the terminal) and then return by train from Bordeaux. OLPC France plans to have some folks there who can help with the arrangements. I expect to be there as well. Tony On 05/21/2017 01:49 AM, <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> wrote: > Send IAEP mailing list submissions to > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of IAEP digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference (Adam Holt) > 2. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference > (Samson Goddy) > 3. Re: [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference > (Chihurumnaya Ibiam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:29:47 -0400 > From: Adam Holt <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank"><holt@laptop.org></a> > To: iaep <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>, SLOBs <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference > Message-ID: > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CAHaBuGdL4TFRWCnib=QuZH7ZUEa_e6QQChZLA+Bp0Bw17He+VA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><CAHaBuGdL4TFRWCnib=QuZH7ZUEa_e6QQChZLA+Bp0Bw17He+VA@mail.gmail.com></a> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank"><samsongoddy@gmail.com></a> > wrote: > >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank"><holt@laptop.org></a> wrote: >> >>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully >>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend. Likely an >>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas >>> approved? Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts / >>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact >>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will >>> be approved? >>> >> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point. >> > You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved. A single > applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French > government might be the best way. > > 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance, >>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear. Not reassuring >>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event. >>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a >>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if >>> nothing goes wrong with the visa? >>> >> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it. >> > Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they > have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest > level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved. > > 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what >>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or >>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share? >>> >> I don't understand, could you explain more. >> > How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more > permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO, > <a href="http://scratch.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://scratch.mit.edu</a> and/or a formal report? > > (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify > what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just > social media, but that could be one part of it!) > > >> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered >>> to contribute? >>> >> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel, >> foods and visa. >> > Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20170520/9b68b540/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20170520/9b68b540/attachment-0001.html</a>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:33:51 +0100 > From: Samson Goddy <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org></a> > To: Adam Holt <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank"><holt@laptop.org></a> > Cc: iaep <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>, SLOBs <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference > Message-ID: > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CAFN_488oV-9MLaMHQyJbxCk3NXvqVauRqujyvQ6pg9W7px_Jkw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><CAFN_488oV-9MLaMHQyJbxCk3NXvqVauRqujyvQ6pg9W7px_Jkw@mail.gmail.com></a> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Adam Holt <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank"><holt@laptop.org></a> wrote: > >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank"><samsongoddy@gmail.com></a> >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank"><holt@laptop.org></a> wrote: >>> >>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully >>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend. Likely an >>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas >>>> approved? Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts / >>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact >>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will >>>> be approved? >>>> >>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point. >>> >> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved. A single >> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French >> government might be the best way. >> >> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance, >>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear. Not reassuring >>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event. >>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a >>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if >>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa? >>>> >>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it. >>> >> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they >> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest >> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved. >> > Sure i am going to do that. > >> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what >>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or >>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share? >>>> >>> I don't understand, could you explain more. >>> >> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more >> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO, >> <a href="http://scratch.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://scratch.mit.edu</a> and/or a formal report? >> >> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify >> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just >> social media, but that could be one part of it!) >> > we will document on our wiki page/ > >> >>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered >>>> to contribute? >>>> >>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel, >>> foods and visa. >>> >> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD? >> >> I will have to contact the team about that too. > You will hear from me soon. > >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20170520/2fffa40c/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20170520/2fffa40c/attachment-0001.html</a>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:49:10 +0100 > From: Chihurumnaya Ibiam <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ibiamchihurumnaya@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ibiamchihurumnaya@gmail.com></a> > To: Adam Holt <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank"><holt@laptop.org></a> > Cc: iaep <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>, SLOBs <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference > Message-ID: > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CAAyQSFOO5SpEyq4hj6D8Se6sHueAMkc-OogWGwDuxPTBRR750Q@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank"><CAAyQSFOO5SpEyq4hj6D8Se6sHueAMkc-OogWGwDuxPTBRR750Q@mail.gmail.com></a> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> >> >> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved. A single >> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French >> government might be the best way. >> > We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the French > government, aside that we know there is no guarantee that it will be > granted neither is there any that it'll not be granted. > > >> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they >> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest >> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved. >> > We'll talk with the organizer and see if he has any contact with the French > government. > > >> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more >> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO, >> <a href="http://scratch.mit.edu" target="_blank">http://scratch.mit.edu</a> and/or a formal report? >> >> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify >> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just >> social media, but that could be one part of it!) >> > This was in an email i received from the Scratch2017bdx committee > > *HAL* > If your proposal has an accompanying paper or poster that you wish to add > to the academic archives, our partner INRIA can publish it in a > Scratch2017BDX section at HAL. HAL is an open archive where authors can > deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields. For this, please fill > out the form at <a href="http://scratch2017bdx.org/en/hal" target="_blank">scratch2017bdx.org/en/hal</a> > > If that helps. > > >> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD? >> > They want to share the responsibility with Sugar Labs, they already have a > budget for the event but every money is virtual at the moment, they are > working it out. So they'd love to pay half of the bill that's an estimated > 1500euros($1681.12), but working the figures out the bill goes past that. > > >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >> > > <<a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon</a>> > Virus-free. > <a href="http://www.avast.com" target="_blank">www.avast.com</a> > <<a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link</a>> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20170520/10446da2/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20170520/10446da2/attachment.html</a>> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > ------------------------------ > > End of IAEP Digest, Vol 110, Issue 38 > ************************************* _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a class="m_-1925372099100098428moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a></div> </blockquote> </div> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </blockquote></div></div>