<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost). Not at all an abstract hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria (flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.<br></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>I think i will have do flight reservation to Bordeaux, <a href="https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/flight-itinerary-visa-application/">https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/flight-itinerary-visa-application/</a> </div><div><br></div><div>But my expenses traveling around Nigeria is really important because that how i can the visa. If i don't make the trip no visa.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one mysterious technicality or another.<br><br>Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay for all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.<br><br>2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an uncertain outcome. Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti live on $1000 per year total (or less). I have flown to work with them and similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in other hackers/contributors homes.<br></div></blockquote><div>Traveling from Nigeria is expensive, i had also have some experience when i went to Nairobi.</div><div><br></div><span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-97568284-26bf-fcb9-ea79-f5539dbf0903"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">For Ibiam </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">a cheap travel plan would be PHC -- LOS -- PAR -- BOD, which would cost around - </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">€</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">1127 ($1250) </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">A hotel room for 7 nights costs about </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">€</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> 252.44 ($280) </span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Visa and Passport costs about </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">€</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> 149 ($165)</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Conference fee </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">€</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">40 ($44.37)</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Miscellaneous </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">€</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> 100($111)</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Totalling </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">€</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> 1668.4($1851) , most figures rounded up.</span></p></span><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season, is about as expensive as it gets.<br><br>As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend. Likely an individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas approved? Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts / diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will be approved?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>More explanation please, i didn't really get the point. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance, so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear. Not reassuring when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event. But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if nothing goes wrong with the visa? </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?<br></div></blockquote><div>I don't understand, could you explain more. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered to contribute?<br></div></blockquote><div>They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel, foods and visa. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail-h5">On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu" target="_blank">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail-h5"><div dir="auto">+1<span class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sameer</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender" <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu" target="_blank">sverma@sfsu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I second.<span class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sameer</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239elided-text">On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239elided-text"><div dir="ltr">Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days policy.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><span class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239m_-92557402255327729HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Samson Goddy</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239m_-92557402255327729HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239m_-92557402255327729h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ignacio@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">ignacio@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi everyone<div><br></div><div>It's +1 from me :)<br>I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Ignacio.-</div></div><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239m_-92557402255327729m_6080264892381352715HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239m_-92557402255327729m_6080264892381352715h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avni@kidsoncomputers.org" target="_blank">avni@kidsoncomputers.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div>Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1</div><div><div class="gmail-m_7610735149581120871m_-3537467328906528218m_-3038926657652787951m_-8631537384720306239m_-92557402255327729m_6080264892381352715m_960208875067049078h5"><div><br>On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.</div>
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<div>Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson Goddy and Ibiam <span style="font-size:12.8px">Chihurumnaya.</span></div>
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