<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-07 21:59 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">G'day Laura,<br>
<br>
No, I don't think your suggestion is the best fix. It can and should<br>
be much simpler.<br>
<br>
Words spoken (or typed) during a meeting do not become a motion until<br>
there exists both a proposer and seconder from among the members of<br>
the oversight board.<br>
<br>
You should instead welcome non-member proposals at the time of a<br>
meeting; but require both a proposer and seconder from among the<br>
members of the board.<br>
<br>
The board should never prevent itself from talking about something.<br>
<br>
A meeting chairperson has the duty to remind those in the meeting<br>
what the rules are. Where there is no chairperson, all members of the<br>
board have that duty.<br>
<br>
What I see most of all is poor form of meeting procedure; which in<br>
other parliaments is handled by;<br>
<br>
- the chair making it clear when a motion is proposed, and who<br>
proposed it,<br>
<br>
- the chair making it clear when a motion is seconded,<br>
<br>
- not allowing talk on a motion until it is seconded,<br>
<br>
- not allowing a change to the motion unless the change is both<br>
proposed and seconded,<br>
<br>
- initiation, education and preparation of the board members.<br>
<br>
These form the rules of order.<br>
<br>
But I do not think these rules are appropriate for your board; they<br>
are intended for environments where conflict is used to delay and<br>
prevent decision-making.<br>
<br>
The members of the board have "a major problem with conflict<br>
resolution and consensus building," (sverma) and adding rules won't<br>
fix this. On the contrary, adding rules creates more conflict; a<br>
weapon of procedure.<br>
<br>
Please instead build trust.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Interesting point of view. Still, please elaborate in this suggestion. How to achieve this? <br><br>It's sounds like the chair has the largest role on making procedures work...<br><br></div><div>Thanks for your feedback. <br></div><div><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Disclosure: I'm not a member of the board, and I'm not a member of<br>
Sugar Labs. I'm a third-party with a commercial interest in the<br>
success of Sugar.<br>
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On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 08:29:15AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
> Hola a todos!<br>
><br>
> During yesterday's meeting there was evident confusion among members regarding<br>
> Sugar Labs decision-making process. Specifically, we had not clear if non-SLOBs<br>
> members were welcome or not to propose motions during a meeting.<br>
><br>
> I propose to correct the third sentence of the Decisions description on our<br>
> wiki page it says:<br>
><br>
</span>> [1]<a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/<wbr>go/Oversight_Board/Decisions</a><br>
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> "Due to confusion about Sugar Labs governance, during 2016 several members of<br>
> the project not on the SLOB posted motions, but these were not seconded, and<br>
> have been struck out to show they were considered by some SLOB members are<br>
> invalid."<br>
><br>
> I suggest Option A to reduce to zero the ambiguity:<br>
><br>
> Option A:<br>
> "Sugar Labs governance model encourages members of the project not on the SLOB<br>
> to post motions by email sending the proposed text to SLOBs, Sugar-devel, Sugar<br>
> Sur and IAEP mailing lists."<br>
><br>
> Additional options to modify the text from SLOBs and non SLOBs members highly<br>
> appreciated; lets make an effort to make it cristal clear.<br>
><br>
> Best regards and blessings from the largest forest ;D<br>
> --<br>
> Laura V.<br>
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org<br>
><br>
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> ~ Laura Victoria<br>
><br>
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</span>> References:<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>Oversight_Board/Decisions</a><br>
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I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org</b></font></div><div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px"><font size="2"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif"><br>“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.” </span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px"><font size="2"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif">~ Laura Victoria</span></font><br><br></div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">Happy Learning!<br>#LearningByDoing</div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">#Projects4good</div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">#IDesignATSugarLabs<br></div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:12.8px">#WeCanDoBetter</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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