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    Sorry, this didn't get copied to IAEP as I intended but only webt to
    Sugar-Devel<br>
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    Tony<br>
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            <td>Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] 2017 Goals for Sugar Labs%</td>
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            <td>Mon, 10 Apr 2017 10:52:04 +0800</td>
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            <td>Tony Anderson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net"><tony_anderson@usa.net></a></td>
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      Hi, Walter<br>
      <br>
      Thanks for this. I feel at long last the community may actually
      get involved in a serious discussion about what we are about and
      what we need to do.<br>
      <br>
      Discussion about whether to support Trisquel or Raspberry Pi or
      Windows is a distraction. The fundamental requirement is that
      Sugar be available on mainstream platforms. The perception that
      Sugar is software limited to the XO should be replaced by Sugar as
      a effective learning platform available to anyone and usable on
      their own computer, free and unencumbered by eulas. Naturally,
      this requires that we make it so.<br>
      <br>
      If a credible Raspberry Pi image is easy to do, for God's sakes do
      it! if it can be distributed as a part of NOOBs, do it! If
      Trisquel is a viable Sugar distribution, then for God's sake
      document where it can be obtained and how to install it.<br>
      <br>
      Aslam Kishwer told me, 'Make Sugar available on Windows.' It
      doesn't matter if Windows is installed on 99% or 10%. Like it or
      not, Microsoft has made learning 'Office' the sine qua non of
      using computers in the classroom. It needs a Sugar image,
      installable as a Windows application (a la wubi). <br>
      <br>
      A Sugar image needs to be a file that can be installed from a
      local computer. In remote locations, the internet may not be
      available. Even with available broadband access, downloading
      software directly to each of 40 computers is not practical.<br>
      <br>
      A Sugar image needs to be supported by Sugar Labs and its
      community. Currently, the XO provides 0.110 while SOAS and Ubuntu
      16.04 provide earlier versions. So the a Sugar release needs to be
      images for the supported platforms. Sugar activities need to work
      on supported releases (which will involve significant community
      effort to test in the release cycle). <br>
      <br>
      Our intended users are not software developers and so the
      installation technique needs to be comfortable and not require
      steps unfamiliar to the average computer user.There are simple gui
      versions of dd which could be used. SOAS is installable by dd from
      an image. This is not a conclusion you would reach from the Sugar
      Labs site which starts with requiring the installation of Fedora!
      <br>
      <br>
      In the context of 'making', I think we need to consider who are
      the 'makers'. The makers are our Sugar users - primary school
      children. Unfortunately, Sugar Labs seems to be moving to a closed
      community of software developers and computer science students. As
      a result our support environment is evolving to tools not
      available to our users - translate.sugarlabs.org, github, and our
      current mantra: 'build a development environment'. All of these
      isolate our users from the 'making' of Sugar (esp. activities and
      localization).<br>
      <br>
      Our focus in programming in visual languages. This is a great
      start. However, it is what educators call scaffolding. We need to
      use the tools we have and develop others to help our users program
      in text languages - Python and Javascript (with HTML and CSS).
      Currently our focus is 'View Source'. This is not a path to
      encourage making and violates the constructionist principle to
      start from what the user knows. More effective would be to focus
      on 'Making Your Own Sugar Activity' and the supporting tools
      (PyTute, HelloWorld, HelloWebWorld, Pippy). Programming today in
      text languages is not more difficult than it was in Basic or
      Pascal on the Apple II. <br>
      <br>
      One vehicle which supports the maker community is the Makerfaire.
      Adam Holt and his team have effectively represented Sugar at some
      of these. One requirement is to provide an opportunity for
      visitors to use the available computers to do something with the
      computer. There ia a Pi and More conference in Trier on June 24,
      2017. I would love to be able to show Sugar on the Raspberry Pi
      there. The essential requirement is a viable and supported image
      that is available to the attendees. Ideally such an exhibit would
      show a Raspberry Pi as a server with XSCE and others as Sugar
      systems with monitors, keyboards, and mouses. <br>
      <br>
      Tony<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/10/2017 08:03 AM, Walter Bender
        wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:56 PM,
              Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Hi
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                  <div dir="auto">Thanks Walter. I'd like to better
                    understand some additional context before diving in
                    :)<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">Does this mean Sameer you have
                      stopped the project planning process you started,
                      and we should not expect you to restart it again?</div>
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              <div> </div>
              <div>At the most recent SLOB meeting Samson brought up the
                fact that we were still waiting and so I volunteered to
                write something up to get the conversation going again.</div>
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                    <div dir="auto">Walter, are these the goals for this
                      year, or are they your proposal for the goals for
                      this year?</div>
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              <div>Not sure I understand what you are asking. I wrote up
                a draft of goals but they are not "the goals" until we
                agree to them.</div>
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              <div>regards.</div>
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              <div>-walter</div>
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                    <div>
                      <div class="h5">On Apr 9, 2017 3:31 PM, "Walter
                        Bender" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com"
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                            <div>As per the discussion in the last Suagr
                              Labs Oversight Board Meeting, I had agreed
                              to write a draft statement of goals for
                              2017. The document below includes feedback
                              from Samson G. I hope this document can
                              serve to revitalize our discussion from
                              2016 that never reached resolution.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Sugar Labs Plans, Goals, Aspirations</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>What is Sugar Labs?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Sugar Labs creates, distributes, and
                              maintains learning software for children.
                              Our approach to learning is grounded in
                              Constructionism, a pedagogy developed by
                              Seymour Papert and his colleagues in the
                              1960s and 70s at MIT. Papert pioneered the
                              use of the computer by children to help
                              engage them in the “construction of
                              knowledge.” His long-time colleague
                              Cynthia Solomon expanded up his ideas by
                              introducing the concept of engaging
                              children in debugging as a pathway into
                              problem-solving. Their 1971 paper, “Twenty
                              things to do with a computer”, is arguably
                              the genesis of contemporary movements such
                              as the Maker Movement and Hour of Code.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>At the core of Constructionism is
                              “learning through doing.” If you want more
                              learning, you want more doing. At Sugar
                              Labs we provide tools to promote doing.
                              (We focus almost exclusively on tools, not
                              instructional materials.) However, we go
                              beyond “doing” by incorporating critical
                              dialog and reflection into the Sugar
                              learning environment, through mechanisms
                              for collaboration, journaling, and
                              portfolio.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Sugar Labs is a spinoff of the One
                              Laptop per Child (OLPC) project and
                              consequently it has inherited many of its
                              goals from that project. The goal of OLPC
                              is to bring the ideas of Constructionism
                              to scale in order to reach more children.
                              A particular focus is on children in the
                              developing world. In order to meet that
                              goal, Sugar, which was originally
                              developed for OLPC, was by necessity a
                              small-footprint solution that required few
                              resources in terms of CPU, memory,
                              storage, or network connectivity. The
                              major change on focus from the OLPC
                              project is that Sugar Labs strives to make
                              the Sugar desktop available to multiple
                              platforms, not just the OLPC XO hardware.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Who develops Sugar?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Sugar Labs is a 100% volunteer effort
                              (although we do occasionally raise money
                              for paid student internships). Sugar
                              development and maintenance is incumbent
                              upon volunteers and hence we strive to
                              provide as much control as possible to our
                              community members, including our
                              end-users. (In fact, one of our assertions
                              is that by enabling our users to
                              participate in the development of the
                              tools that they use will lead to deeper
                              engagement in their own learning.) Towards
                              these ends, we chose the GPL as our
                              primary license. It has been said of the
                              GPL that it “restricts my right [as a
                              developer] to restrict yours [as a user
                              and potential developer]”, which seems
                              ideal for a project that wants to engage a
                              broad and diverse set of learners. But at
                              Sugar Labs we go beyond the usual goals of
                              FOSS: a license to make changes to the
                              code is not enough to ensure that users
                              make changes. We also strive to provide
                              the means to make changes. Our success in
                              this goal is best reflected in the number
                              of patches we receive from our community.
                              (We achieve this goal through providing
                              access to source code and development
                              tools within Sugar itself. We also
                              actively participate in workshops and
                              internship programs such as Google Summer
                              of Code, Outreaching, and Google Code-In.)</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Who uses Sugar?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Ultimately, our goal is to reach
                              learners (and educators) with powerful
                              tools and engage them in Constructionist
                              learning. Currently we reach them in many
                              ways: the majority of our users get the
                              Sugar desktop preinstalled on OLPC XO
                              hardware. We have a more modest set of
                              users who get Sugar packaged in Fedora,
                              Trisquel, Debian, Ubuntu, or other
                              GNU/Linux platforms. Some users get Sugar
                              on Live Media (i.e., Sugar on a Stick).
                              Recently Sugarizer, a repackaging of some
                              of the core Sugar ideas for the browser,
                              has been finding its way to some users.
                              There are also a number of Sugar
                              activities that are popular outside of the
                              context Sugar itself, for example, Turtle
                              Blocks, which has wide-spread use in
                              India. Harder to measure is the extent to
                              which Sugar has influenced other providers
                              of “educational” software. If the Sugar
                              pedagogy is incorporated by others, that
                              advances our goal.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Who supports Sugar?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>When we first created Sugar Labs, we
                              envisioned “Local Labs”—hence the name
                              “Sugar Labs”, plural—that would provide
                              local support in terms of local-language
                              support, training, curriculum development,
                              and customizations. This model has not
                              ever gained the scale and depth envisioned
                              (we can debate the reasons why), although
                              there are still some active local
                              communities (e.g., Educa Paraguay) that
                              continue to work closely with the broader
                              community. There are also individual
                              volunteers, such as Tony Anderson and T.K.
                              Kang, who help support individual schools
                              in Rwanda, Malaysia, et al. An open
                              question is how do we support our users
                              over the long term?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>What is next for Sugar?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>We face several challenges at Sugar
                              Labs. With the ebb of OLPC, we have a
                              contracting user base and the number of
                              professional developers associated with
                              the project is greatly diminished. How can
                              we expand our user base? How can we
                              attract more experienced developers? Why
                              would they want to work on Sugar as
                              opposed to some other project? The meta
                              issue is how do we keep Sugar relevant in
                              a world of Apps and small, hand-held
                              devices? Can we meet the expectations of
                              learners living in a world of fast-paced,
                              colorful interfaces? How do we ensure that
                              it is fulfilling its potential as a
                              learning environment and that our users,
                              potential users, and imitators are
                              learning about and learning from Sugar.
                              Some of this is a matter of marketing;
                              some of this is a matter of staying
                              focused on our core pedagogy; some of this
                              a matter of finding strategic partners
                              with whom we can work.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>We have several near-term opportunities
                              that we should leverage:</div>
                            <div>* Raspian: The Raspberry PI 3.0 is more
                              than adequate to run Sugar—the experience
                              rivals or exceeds that of the OLPC XO 4.0
                              hardware. While RPi is not the only
                              platform we should be targeting, it does
                              has broad penetration into the Maker
                              community, which shares a synergy with our
                              emphasis on “doing”. It is low-hanging
                              fruit. With a little polish we could have
                              an image available for download from the
                              RPi website.</div>
                            <div>* Trisquel: We have the potential for
                              better leveraging the Free Software
                              Foundation as a vehicle for promoting
                              Sugar. Their distro of choice is Trisquel
                              and the maintainer does a great job of
                              keep the Sugar packages up to date.</div>
                            <div>* Sugarizer: The advantage of Sugarizer
                              is that it has the potential of reaching
                              orders of magnitude more users since it is
                              web-based and runs in Android and iOS.
                              There is some work to be done to make the
                              experience palatable on small screens and
                              the current development environment is—at
                              least my opinion—not scalable or
                              maintainable. The former is a formidable
                              problem. The latter quite easy to address.</div>
                            <div>* Stand-alone projects such as Music
                              Blocks have merit as long as they maintain
                              both a degree of connection with Sugar and
                              promote the values of the community. It is
                              not certain that these projects will lead
                              users towards Sugar, but they do promote
                              FOSS and Constructionist principles. And
                              they have attracted new developers to the
                              Sugar community.</div>
                            <div>* School-server: The combination of the
                              School Server and Sugar desktop is a
                              technical solution to problems facing
                              small and remote communities. We should
                              continue to support and promote this
                              combination.</div>
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                            <div>Specific actions: After last year’s
                              Libre Planet conference, several community
                              members discussed a marketing strategy for
                              Sugar. We thought that if we could reach
                              influencers, we might be able to greatly
                              amplify our efforts. There are several
                              prominent bloggers and pundits in the
                              education arena who are widely read and
                              who might be receptive to what we are
                              doing. One significant challenge is that
                              GNU/Linux remains on the far periphery of
                              the Ed Tech world. Although the “love
                              affair” with all things Apple seems to be
                              over, the new elephant in the
                              room—Chromebooks and Google Docs—is
                              equally difficult to co-exist with.
                              Personally, I see the most potential
                              synergy with the Maker movement, which is
                              building up momentum in extra-curricular
                              programs, where FOSS and GNU-Linux are
                              welcome (hence my earlier focus on RPi).
                              (There are even some schools that are
                              building their entire curriculum around
                              PBL.) We can and should develop and run
                              some workshops that can introduce Sugar
                              within the context of the Maker movement.
                              (Toward that end, I have been working with
                              some teachers on how to leverage, for
                              example, Turtle Blocks for 3D printing.)
                              It is very much a tool-oriented community
                              with little overall discussion of
                              architectural frameworks, so we have some
                              work to do. But there is lots of
                              low-hanging fruit there.</div>
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                            <div>regards.</div>
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