<div dir="ltr">(vuelvo a poner en copia la lista Sugar-Sur)<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-25 16:24 GMT-05:00 Lionel Laské <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lionel.laske@gmail.com" target="_blank">lionel.laske@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>+1 Caryl</div><div>I can't imagine a budget without a project proposal. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Lionel,</div><div><br></div><div>I have funded our small research and development team Somos Azucar here in South America thanks to several project's formulation and happy execution during the now 7 years of my voluntary contributions to the Sugarlabs main Project.<br><br></div><div>Still, as time becomes more and more a limited resource, not necessarily preparing and submitting project's proposals is the best fit for all. <br><br></div><div>I feel happy Sugarizer is not in need of economic resources, also to hear neither is Chris. I really hope your team's infrastructure continue to be supported for the long term! Our case is different as we, Sugar Labs, sponsor basic infrastructure to the local deployment serving more than 40,000 online users. <br></div><div><br></div><div>What I'm proposing here is nothing more than a public recognition of all those contributors that have positive results. If I proposed you and Sugarizer for a Badge is because I admire your determination and the product your team has develop. <br><br>Think about it as if they were the Oscars of Sugar Labs!!! <br><br></div><div>I believe that by opening it's mind to new models, Sugar Labs has the opportunity to renew its<span class="gmail-gt-baf-word-clickable"> rusty image and prepare for a new generation of coders and active contributors to build and distribute the best software libre possible for the kids!<br><br><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-gt-baf-word-clickable">I will reformulate the model before presenting it to the Board formally.<br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-gt-baf-word-clickable"><br><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-gt-baf-word-clickable">Regards and blessings from the Amazon forest,<br></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Laura V<br></div><div><br><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Money could be a way to solve issues. The issue could not be to spend money.</div><div>And yes, the most important thing is feedbacks from the field. It's why it was super important to me to launch the first OLPC France Sugar deployment in Madagascar 8 years ago and the first Sugarizer deployment this year. More: today, every Sugarizer feature I'm thinking about is because of feedbacks or issues we raised during our Sugar deployment.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm proud to see reference to Sugarizer in your previous exchange. Thanks all for that.</div><div>By the way, Sugarizer need developers more than money.</div><div>Give me two tokens for the incoming GSoC and it will be more than all badges!</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards from France. </div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div> Lionel</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-25 20:47 GMT+01:00 Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>OK, it's time to get real. The problem with all of this talk is that most (but not all) of you haven't a clue how teachers and schools operate! Unless SugarLabs' products are targeted to perceived needs of teachers, parents, school boards, school owners,
after school tutoring services, etc., etc., etc. They will never achieve wide distribution and use. Here are some things that MUST be done (and so far haven't been done on a meaningful scale).</p>
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<p>* Stakeholders are polled to find out what the needs of their students are.</p>
<p>* Products are tailored to specifically meet those needs.</p>
<p>* Documentation is produced with easy to understand instructions for installing and using the product.</p>
<p>* Sample lessons and lesson plans are prepared by teachers who have experience using the product.</p>
<p>* Everything is translated into the languages of the target markets.</p>
<p>* Follow-up is done with new users to determine if any changes and improvements are needed.</p>
<p>* Needed changes are made and the users are provided an easy way to update.</p>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px">Free is good, but teachers and schools don't want to waste their
time on something that doesn't meet their needs even if it is free. This requires that all of these things I list above be done, and maybe more that some of you will think of. This applies to all of SugarLabs products, Sugar, Sugarizer, TurtleBlocks, MusicBlocks,
Servers, and anything new that may be created to add to the mix.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px"><br>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px">All of this costs money, which SL will not have if we spend it
on a bunch of Badges given out mostly to SLOB members. Badges are not the way to go! They guarantee nothing! Projects fulfilling the criteria listed above with specific duties and specific remuneration are what we need.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px"><br>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px">So, write a good proposal for a project that meets a specific,
proveble, need. Submit it. Get it funded. Work on it. Budget to pay yourself a reasonable amount to make it happen. If you folks need and want SL funds, that should be what you do to get them. Not just drawing a dole for being you.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px"><br>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols;font-size:18.6667px">Sorry for the rant! But these are things that needed to be said
and at my age, I guess I have to be the one to do it!</span></p>
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to try for the Global Learning XPrize.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:46:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Walter Bender<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Adam Holt; Lionel Laské; Tony Anderson; SLOBs; Sam P.; Samson Goddy; Martin Abente Lahaye; iaep<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget</font>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 25, 2017 6:27 PM, "Walter Bender" <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div class="gmail-m_3286589226902181762m_3842021610445611962quoted-text">On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Sam Parkinson <span dir="ltr">
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<span>On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 08:36 +0530, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
> Actually I am not convinced of this; I do not believe that the latest<br>
> releases of the Python codebase reach classrooms, and the js codebase<br>
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> One of the projects listed is social help. It's a fine idea, but a<br>
> cursory look at the site shows it has extremely low activity. I think<br>
> it would be better to shut it down. <br>
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</span>Sugar tries to literally replace every part of the computer that a user<br>
sees. And believe it or not; that is a hard goal for a small free<br>
software community. 3 people in their spare time can't replace the<br>
years of work poured into every other desktop environment & their<br>
software.<br>
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You're 100% spot on. The future of SL is things like TurtleJS.<br>
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<div>I am obviously a fan of Turtle (and Music Blocks), but I am convinced that, for example, Sugar on Raspberry PI has a big future. It is a very experience, relatively easy to set up, and a good fit for the maker space. We should push hard to really make
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<div dir="auto">Sugar or sugarizer? 😂</div>
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<div dir="auto">How many classrooms do we know of using the latest sugar release on pi hardware? 🤣</div>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Laura V.<br><font color="#ff00ff"><b>
I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org</b></font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="2"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif">“No paradox, no progress.” </span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif">~ Niels Bohr</span></font><br><br></div><div>Happy Learning!<br><br></div></div></div>
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