<div dir="auto"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 25, 2017 1:31 AM, "Martin Abente Lahaye" <<a href="mailto:tch@sugarlabs.org">tch@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="quoted-text">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">samsongoddy@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi martin,<div><br></div><div>i believe this is it</div></div></blockquote><div><br><br></div></div><div>Thanks!<br></div><div class="quoted-text"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div>Some time ago Aleksey suggested to the list, that we should sponsor with US$500/month to active Sugar Labs contributors in need on a monthly basis.<br><br></div>Today we have many active contributors that are vital to the Sugar Labs ecosystem </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Actually I am not convinced of this; I do not believe that the latest releases of the Python codebase reach classrooms, and the js codebase only reaches one. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One of the projects listed is social help. It's a fine idea, but a cursory look at the site shows it has extremely low activity. I think it would be better to shut it down. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:12.8px">and many of them have expressed they are somehow in need of financial resources, perhaps it is time we retribute them with trust and monthly donations.<br><br>At the same time and as part of the Marketing and Funding plan, there is interest among active contributors to start an implementation of Open Badges for Sugar Labs. <br><br>I personally believe, Open Badges may be one way to open channels for resources to flow to active contributors. <br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While resources can flow through SFC, where are the resources coming from? The SL general fund is not a source, it is a destination for funds. Eg, Gsoc and gci pay contributors and also pay into the SL general fund. Other grant opportunities exist. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But the whole sugar labs doesn't have a direction that makes sense, so applying successfully for grants is not possible. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="quoted-text"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">According to our financial status, I calculated at least 7 badges with stipends can be created and granted on a yearly basis starting 2017. <br><br>Under this model and for the first year (03/2017 - 03/2018), each badge could have a US$500/month stipend attached, for a total of US$3,500 per month, totaling US$ 42,000 per year in stipends [1] to Active contributors. <br><br>The beneficiary or "badge holder" can choose to accept our<b> monthly donation</b> or if not in need can also choose to pass it on to any active contributor in need or to give it back to the General Funds account. I volunteer myself to co-manage payments and logistics with Adam and SFC and Ignacio has volunteer to lead the development of the Badges.<br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"> <br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div>Here are the names for the badges with stipends and their holders I'm proposing for the first year of the model: <br><br></div><div># 1 Infrastructure Hero - Samuel Cantero <br># 2 Infrastructure Hero - Sebastian Silva</div><div># 3 Release Manager - Ignacio Rodriguez <br></div><div># 4 Translations Manager - Chris Leonard <br></div><div># 5 Marketing Team Leader - Samson Goddy<br># 6 Sugar Network Project Leader - Laura Vargas <br># 7 Social Help Project Leader - Sam Parkinson <br><br>Here are the names for the badges without stipends and their holders I'm proposing for the first year of the model: <br><br></div><div># 8 Sugarizer Project Leader - Lionel Laske<br></div><div># 9 Sugar Labs Honor Badge - Walter Bender<br></div># 10 Secretary - Dave Crossland<br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"># 11 Treasure Keeper - Adam Holt<br><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Please share your toughs on the subject. <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br></div></div><div>Is there a plan to ensure that this proposal is financially sustainable? e.g. What will SL do in concrete to ensure that it won't run out of funds after 2 years?<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Exactly :)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div class="elided-text"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>If you consider there are more Badges and/or Badge holders that should be considered for the first year, please feel free to nominate someone else or yourself and give a name to the Badge. <span><br><br>Also, if you have a strong opposition to the model or to any of the listed badges or badge holders, please share the reasons openly.<br><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Hopefully by the end of next week we can give it a try to put it all into a single motion :D<br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Best regards and blessings for all,<br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Laura Victoria<br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">[1]</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipend" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/w<wbr>iki/Stipend</a><div class="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109gmail-yj6qo m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109gmail-ajU"><div id="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109gmail-:ua" class="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109gmail-ajR"><img class="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="opacity:0.3"></div></div></div></div></div><div class="m_-3785838239436980689HOEnZb"><div class="m_-3785838239436980689h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Martin Abente Lahaye <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tch@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">tch@sugarlabs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hello everyone,<br><br></div>Where can people find more information about the " open badges" proposal?<br><br>Regards,<br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109h5">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109h5"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-24 13:51 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
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<p>The "Badge" proposal is a totally inappropriate use of SL funds and could result in litigation and the possible end of SugarLabs.</p>
<p><br></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Please do elaborate on this. We have already allocated stipends for active members in the past. As I recall Chris Leonard had an 8 month stipend of US$ 1,000.<br><br></div><div>What would be difference?<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif,"apple color emoji","segoe ui emoji",notocoloremoji,"segoe ui symbol","android emoji",emojisymbols" id="m_-3785838239436980689m_-5546326965791395109m_-342037649006529414m_-8931254312873828134gmail-m_-6746553245183706259divtagdefaultwrapper"><p>
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<p>I suggest a call for project proposals be done before raiding the "cookie jar" and leaving SL destitute and powerless with nothing left in the coffers (in a short 2 years). Samson has submitted a few proposals in the past and I submitted one for Sugarizer
Primero last summer. These are the sort of things that the cash reserves should be used for. Paying a select few a large monthly stipend because "they need it" is a totally improper use of SL funds and could end up in court. </p>
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<p>Instead, why don't some of these people propose projects that fall within the stated purpose of SugarLabs? The SLOB can vote on them according to their merits and approve or not. </p>
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<p>P.S. I did not put any funding for myself in my project proposal. The money needed would go to educators in Uruguay, programmers in France and wherever else Lionel finds them, documentation writers and translators from many countries and educators in many
countries to test the product in any country, and a PR person to get the word out by sending reps to places where they can show the merits of Sugarizer (Primero) to educators and other stakeholders around the world. I would oversee the whole thing for free
(except possibly some occasional travel expenses and entrance or visa fees).</p>
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<p>P.P.S. I know Samson could have a good proposal ... or perhaps he could oversee the translation teams for mine. Walter probably has some in mind as well. Let's get the vision, goals and objectives in hand before progressing any further.</p>
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> Also, if you have a strong opposition to the model or to any of the listed<br>
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</span>Where is the $42k coming from?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">As Samuel has confirm, he is not in need of funds to continue contributing to the project so I am formulating the model with only six Badges with stipend for a total of US$ 36k.
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