<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows from Scale, an adopter wants to know: 1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users? 2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it available? 3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out? Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities, Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of tools. Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a block: Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux. For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well - how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to download 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become incoherent. They say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the CD and start running Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su. Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's that?') requires the use of the command: <code>sudo dnf install livecd-tools </code> No potential adopter would persist even to this point. The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux distributions. The accompanying instructions from the links on this panel are even more intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support for Sugar. In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110. This should be featured. Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for download which can be transfered to a usb stick by a single dd command. This stick would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an available block of hard drive on any amd_64 machine. A second image ideally would be installable as a Window application with a supported Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a Debian image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi 3 (and possibly 2). Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' information on the main screen, not down six screens. Tony <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.13512.1487193649.20738.iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +0000 From: Caryl Bigenho <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com"><cbigenho@hotmail.com></a> To: Bert Freudenberg <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de"><bert@freudenbergs.de></a> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel Message-ID: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CY4PR19MB1061668D2FC5EEF8CBBCD2CDCC5B0@CY4PR19MB1061.namprd19.prod.outlook.com"><CY4PR19MB1061668D2FC5EEF8CBBCD2CDCC5B0@CY4PR19MB1061.namprd19.prod.outlook.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" +1 for Tony's comment! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de">bert@freudenbergs.de</a><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de"><mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de></a>> wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net"><mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net></a>> wrote: This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc">https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc</a> Tony Isn't that exactly what SoaS does? <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation</a> - Bert -</pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>