<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Something to help access to Sugar: <a href="https://etcher.io/" target="_blank" title="https://etcher.io/" data-mce-href="https://etcher.io/">https://etcher.io/</a> </div><div>"Etcher is a powerful OS image flasher built with web technologies to ensure flashing an SDCard or USB drive is a pleasant and safe experience. It protects you from accidentally writing to your hard-drives, ensures every byte of data was written correctly and much more."</div><div>Open source, Mac, Linux, Windows.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__">Sean<br>sean@manybits.net</div><br><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Tony Anderson" <tony_anderson@usa.net><br><b>To: </b>"iaep" <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, February 17, 2017 9:18:23 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 15<br></div><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">Consider an potential adopter who wants to try out Sugar. As Caryl knows from Scale, an adopter wants to know:<br> <br>1 - What are the capabilities of Sugar, what are its strengths, who is using it, are there success stories, testimonials from users?<br>2 - How is it supported? If I were to deploy it and needed help, is it available?<br>3 - How can I install it on my PC to try it out?<br> <br>Going to the Sugarlabs website, the first screen features: Activities, Wiki, Social Help. The next statement describes Sugar as a collection of tools.<br>Being persistent, if you scroll down several screens, you get to a block: Get Sugar featuring SOAS and Gnu/Linux.<br> <br>For Sugar on a Stick, I am directed to another page. It starts out well - how to make a stick with Windows (but 7). The instructions say to download 650MB and burn a CD. At this point the instructions become incoherent. They say to mount a 2GB or more stick and then boot from the CD and start running Sugar from it using the Terminal activity and su.<br> <br>Then I am told that a change in Fedora 24 (the adopter is saying 'what's that?') requires the use of the command:<br> <br> <code>sudo dnf install livecd-tools<br> </code><br>No potential adopter would persist even to this point.<br> <br>The other panel claims Sugar is available on most Gnu/Linux distributions. The accompanying instructions from the links on this panel are even more intimidating and provide evidence of lack of support for Sugar.<br> <br>In fact, I believe that Ubuntu 16.04 enables yum install of Sugar 0.110. This should be featured.<br> <br>Like Pixel, I would like to see a current Sugar image available for download which can be transfered to a usb stick by a single dd command. This stick would operate as SOAS but also support installation in an available block of hard drive on any amd_64 machine. A second image ideally would be installable as a Window application with a supported Windows installer (like wubi did). Finally, there should be a Debian image which can be copied to an SD card and booted by a Raspberry Pi 3 (and possibly 2). <br> <br>Finally, our hypothetical adopter should find this 'get Sugar' information on the main screen, not down six screens. <br> <br>Tony<br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/15/2017 11:20 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.13512.1487193649.20738.iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"> <pre>Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:15:05 +0000 From: Caryl Bigenho <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><cbigenho@hotmail.com></a> To: Bert Freudenberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank"><bert@freudenbergs.de></a> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> Subject: Re: [IAEP] pixel Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CY4PR19MB1061668D2FC5EEF8CBBCD2CDCC5B0@CY4PR19MB1061.namprd19.prod.outlook.com" target="_blank"><CY4PR19MB1061668D2FC5EEF8CBBCD2CDCC5B0@CY4PR19MB1061.namprd19.prod.outlook.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" +1 for Tony's comment! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Bert Freudenberg <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank">bert@freudenbergs.de</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de" target="_blank"><mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de></a>> wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Tony Anderson <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net></a>> wrote: This is what I hoped Sugarlabs would do: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc" target="_blank">https://opensource.com/article/17/1/try-raspberry-pis-pixel-os-your-pc</a> Tony Isn't that exactly what SoaS does? <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation</a> - Bert -</pre> </blockquote> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br>IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org<br>http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep<br></div></div></body></html>