<div dir="ltr"><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-pv"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">Thanks,
of course i know that $100 won't be enough for ads, because facebook
charge around $5 a day (lowest rate). But the idea behind the 1k is to
make sure that the necessary things are carried out more like some minor
payments. Especially when you are using expensive ads on platform like
Twitter. <div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-F3hlO"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">So
don't you think we should in first place concentrate on the most
socially impactful thing = ads before we start giving salaries?<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">Also,
I know many volunteers who get their work done without being paid a
cent, because they have developed self-discipline, motivation and they
know they're doing something good and beneficial. That's enough reward
for them. I am sure we have many such people in Sugar Labs. We don't
need hiring. Let us make a team and get it working. <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">Regardless of stated above, the ratio between advertisment budget and propsed salary is definietely unacceptable. <br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-pv"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">I
am speaking from experience, because i am one of the Social Media
Manager in my church, it practically cost more than that 1.1k proposed. I
don't want the community to see it as salary but funds for getting the
necessary things done in a month. I also mentioned giving back (funding)
there are also many ways to get funds from the media down to SL account
but i would have to ask SFC for guidance on how to know which funds to
take. </div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-F3hlO"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Well,
maybe I understand you wrong, because I understood it plainly as a
salary. What are these special expenses you are mentioning? If there
really are some, I think we can make a budget for these expenses and the
SMM gets reimburesed after showing receipts.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Getting
funds from sponsors - great thing. Still, we can spend them in other
way than hiring. Let us make a team and get things done!<br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-pv"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Like
i mentioned few months back, it up to the Community to decide what they
want to make Sugar Labs grow further. Because i see us moving in a<br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">Circle.</div></div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="inbox-inbox-uyb8Gf"><div><div class="inbox-inbox-F3hlO"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">IMO
making a paid SMM function won't break this circle (if it ever exists)
and have crucial impact on SL grow. To get SL growing we should first
and foremost concentrate on development, accessibility and making
partnerships.<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Best,<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Tymon</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">sob., 18 lut 2017 o 01:07 użytkownik Samson Goddy <<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>> napisał:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">Thanks, of course i know that $100 won't be enough for ads, because facebook charge around $5 a day (lowest rate). But the idea behind the 1k is to make sure that the necessary things are carried out more like some minor payments. Especially when you are using expensive ads on platform like Twitter. <div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">I am speaking from experience, because i am one of the Social Media Manager in my church, it practically cost more than that 1.1k proposed. I don't want the community to see it as salary but funds for getting the necessary things done in a month. I also mentioned giving back (funding) there are also many ways to get funds from the media down to SL account but i would have to ask SFC for guidance on how to know which funds to take. </div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">Like i mentioned few months back, it up to the Community to decide what they want to make Sugar Labs grow further. Because i see us moving in a Circle.</div></div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg">Samson</div></div><div dir="auto" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg" dir="auto"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On 18 Feb 2017 12:48 a.m., "Tymon Radzik" <<a href="mailto:dwgipk@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">dwgipk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">I am not SLOBs member, however I'd like to share my opinion with you.<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">I have to agree with Ignacio, I am completely against making proposed "Social Media Manager" function to be paid.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">First and foremost, because Sugar Labs is <b class="gmail_msg">volunteer-driven </b>project. The idea is that members work for free supporting a good cause, the free software. We should hire only when some extraordinary skills / exceptional amount of time (like e.g. "full time educator") is neccessary to correctly perfom one's duties. Creating other permanent paid functions inside the community would cause somehow dangerous precedent. And even if, the "salary" should be adequte to funds spent on buying ads. $100 budget for advertising in comparsion with $1,000 salary is unacceptable for me. <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Also in my opinion we should set some requirements for candidates for this position, like: fluent knowledge of English and one another language, significant experience in different social media channels, ability to handle rough situations, responsibility, patience, PR skills. I am sure we can find someone who could meet them in the group of SL members/volunteers. <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">Finally, I don't know whether having social media team with one coordinator would not be better and less time consuming. The idea in general needs further consideration.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Best,<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Tymon<br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="m_411277168579841809elided-text gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">sob., 18 lut 2017 o 00:15 użytkownik Samson Goddy <<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>> napisał:<br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_411277168579841809elided-text gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">On 17 Feb 2017 10:01 p.m., "Ignacio Rodríguez" <<a href="mailto:ignacio@sugarlabs.org" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">ignacio@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603m_-1192602732730436771quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I love the idea except the part where someone get paid.<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">Nobody like the idea of getting paid, but that how it is.</div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603m_-1192602732730436771quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
We really need to focus on Social Media as described on the document,<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
but we also need interesting content to share with people. What I<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
mean, for much I like Sugar Labs I think we don't have enough<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
content/news/current users..<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">We don't have enough doesn't make us grow. And yes, you are right. But Social media should have the ability to be a content creator. Yes, users are one thing we are lacking that why the social media comes in to create awareness.</div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603m_-1192602732730436771quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> 1. Using myself as an example, Social Media manager is expected to online at least 10-15 hours a day.<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
I don't get how can someone spend 15 hours dedicated to Sugar Labs<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
only (talking about social media).<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">I don't know about what you meant, but what i was trying to explain is to make sure the SMM knows when to post things try to get answers to questions that are been asked from the Social media world. Take it more like a live support, i have been doing it with my church which happens to be non-profit.</div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603m_-1192602732730436771quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I think we can do all of this by just wanting to == getting the work done.<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">I totally disagree on that, people can volunteer their time if they want to support the SMM but it shouldn'tbe around that mindset.</div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603m_-1192602732730436771quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Sorry for my bad english :D.<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">No problem </div></div><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="auto" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603m_-1192602732730436771quote m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 2/17/17, Samson Goddy <<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> At the last meeting, i proposed a motion concerning funding the Social<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> Media role, there where lot of questions asked. So this is the updated<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> document, i think is something SL should really consider for the future of<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> Sugar Labs. Below are the links of Social Media that already exist.<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> [1] <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SugarLabsforall/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/SugarLabsforall/</a><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> [2] <a href="https://twitter.com/sugar_labs" rel="noreferrer" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/sugar_labs</a><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> [3]<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/454719?trk=vsrp_companies_cluster_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A1954828041487359711037%2CVSRPtargetId%3A454719%2CVSRPcmpt%3Acompanies_cluster" rel="noreferrer" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/454719?trk=vsrp_companies_cluster_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A1954828041487359711037%2CVSRPtargetId%3A454719%2CVSRPcmpt%3Acompanies_cluster</a><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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> [4] <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sugarlabsforall/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/sugarlabsforall/</a><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
><br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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Ignacio Rodríguez<br class="m_411277168579841809m_-8891371582101924603gmail_msg gmail_msg">
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