<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I totally agree with "We should be able to speak about Sugar deployments as we now speak
about OLPC deployments. Sugar should be available for PCs and mobile
devices with xo being considered as one of the supported
environments".<br><br></div>I think we limited ourselves to an extent on OLPC deployments, we've tried so far in making sugar available for different devices. Those companies are not limited because canonical doesn't provide hardware devices neither does redhat, but they've partnered with different companies that do.<br><br></div>Tony, if you've any plan as to expanding our reach apart from the one's already listed, it'll be great if you tell us.<br></div> Best regards<br> </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi, All<br>
<br>
I certainly appreciate the attention my email has received. However,
I am disappointed that the responses do not reflect my main concern.
I beleive <br>
Sugar and Sugar Labs will fade away if it continues to be perceived
as the software that comes on an XO. I believe Sugar Labs and Sugar
should be perceived as in a similar relationship as Red Hat is to
Fedora and Canonical is to Ubuntu. <br>
<br>
We need to have releases of Sugar: Long-term-support, latest stable,
and developer. These releases should be downloadable as a single
image which can be installed from a livecd usb stick generated by a
dd command. The starting point is probably SOAS - which is not now
installable without a technically difficult use of livecd tools in a
Fedora 24 installation (which is difficult since Fedora provides
Fedora 25). <br>
<br>
As an evaluation of Sugar Lab's success is that the Mexican
deployment presented in the OLPC SF Summit chooses to use Sugar
instead of UberMix. <br>
(<a class="m_-8465792108379974365moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ubermix.org/" target="_blank">http://www.ubermix.org/</a>). <br>
<br>
We should be able to speak about Sugar deployments as we now speak
about OLPC deployments. Sugar should be available for PCs and mobile
devices with xo being considered as one of the supported
environments. <br>
<br>
If no action is taken except to discuss future academic papers about
Sugar Labs and SLOB elections, I think both will become totally
irrelevant. Current OLPC deployments will choose new hardware to
replace XOs and install on this hardware Windows, Raspbian, Chrome
OS, UberMix or other readily available and supported alternatives.
Sugar will join APL and Cobol in computer history.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Tony</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div class="m_-8465792108379974365moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2016 07:16 AM, Dave Crossland
wrote:<br>
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There is a IAEP thread "Preparing for the 2017 SLOB
Election" in early August that has more details about
all this. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">First, I want to note that while an
'election committee' has been mentioned, Walter said in that
earlier thread:</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span class="m_-8465792108379974365gmail-il">I</span> am of the opinion that SLOB
does not have to approve individual membership in
committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is
to appoint a representative. So <span class="m_-8465792108379974365gmail-il">I</span> don't
think we need a motion.</span></div>
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<div>As Caryl and Seb have reiterated on this thread: while
they both helped run the election last year, they both said
a few months ago that they are unable to volunteer for this
year. <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">At that time I offered to volunteer, as
did Samson; and I found a possible web app to run the election
and suggested Samuel Cantero could set it up, and he
graciously did set it up. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">However, by September, (a) the GSOC
project to make a font editor activity wound up, and (b)
Sameer offered to lead the vision thing, and until that is
done I am not confident about taking any other actions, and
(c) I accepted an employment offer by Google and have had less
free time since then compared to when I was working as a
consultant, so I haven't done more of the things I said I
would do. I wrote on August 5:</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">So, I volunteer to do
the following before the next SLOB meeting:</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will ask Sam C to
set up a new <a href="mailto:sugar-announce@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-announce@lists.sugar<wbr>labs.org</a> mailing
list with himself, myself, samson, caryl and seb as
list admins. </div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will complete the
review of all accounts on the wiki to mark the ones
that look like spammers</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will make a final
'all possible members' email list</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will draft the email
that asks people to join the announce list and
explains why I am asking them to do this, and a
motion to approve the <span class="m_-8465792108379974365gmail-il">election</span> email,
and share it on the IAEP list for community review</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will ask SLOBs to
post and second the motion</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">Then in early September
I can send the email, and prepare a report with the
new list of members and similarly to before another
draft email soliciting board applications for SLOB
to review and approve in the October meeting.</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">Then in early October I
can send that email, perhaps also with the donation
request, and then prepare a final email calling for
votes that SLOB can review and approve in the
November meeting.</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">Then in early November
the call for votes can go out, votes can come in,
and in early December the results can be announced. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I still think this process is a good
one, but regretfully I am not going to be able to put much
effort into this until January at the earliest. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">So, I suggest that Samson and anyone
who wants to volunteer to run the election take a look at that
web app with Sam C and see if it really will work for Sugar
Labs in 2016. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">If not, <a href="http://civs.cs.cornell.edu" target="_blank">http://civs.cs.cornell.<wbr>edu</a>
was used last year and should be a suitable mechanism for
people to cast votes. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Finally, I think the very next step is
for whoever volunteers to run the election to come up with a
list of members emails to solicit votes from. (Where the
discussions last trailed off was in discussing who should be
on this 'final members list' - I think we agreed to cast a
very wide net, and I made some progress reviewing wiki
accounts and, defining the members list based on wiki +
mailing list posters. I am happy to share that WIP and explain
what I would do next with it, but it may be better for the
person to start their own list.) </div>
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