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    Hi, All<br>
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    I certainly appreciate the attention my email has received. However,
    I am disappointed that the responses do not reflect my main concern.
    I beleive <br>
    Sugar and Sugar Labs will fade away if it continues to be perceived
    as the software that comes on an XO. I believe Sugar Labs and Sugar
    should be perceived as in a similar relationship as Red Hat is to
    Fedora and Canonical is to Ubuntu. <br>
    <br>
    We need to have releases of Sugar: Long-term-support, latest stable,
    and developer. These releases should be downloadable as a single
    image which can be installed from a livecd usb stick generated by a
    dd command. The starting point is probably SOAS - which is not now
    installable without a technically difficult use of livecd tools in a
    Fedora 24 installation (which is difficult since Fedora provides
    Fedora 25). <br>
    <br>
    As an evaluation of Sugar Lab's success is that the Mexican
    deployment presented in the OLPC SF Summit chooses to use Sugar
    instead of UberMix. <br>
    (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ubermix.org/">http://www.ubermix.org/</a>). <br>
    <br>
    We should be able to speak about Sugar deployments as we now speak
    about OLPC deployments. Sugar should be available for PCs and mobile
    devices with xo being considered as one of the supported
    environments. <br>
    <br>
    If no action is taken except to discuss future academic papers about
    Sugar Labs and SLOB elections, I think both will become totally
    irrelevant. Current OLPC deployments will choose new hardware to
    replace XOs and install on this hardware Windows, Raspbian, Chrome
    OS, UberMix or other readily available and supported alternatives.
    Sugar will join APL and Cobol in computer history.<br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2016 07:16 AM, Dave Crossland
      wrote:<br>
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                There is a IAEP thread "Preparing for the 2017 SLOB
                Election" in early August that has more details about
                all this. </div>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">First, I want to note that while an
            'election committee' has been mentioned, Walter said in that
            earlier thread:</div>
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            <div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="gmail-il">I</span> am of the opinion that SLOB
                does not have to approve individual membership in
                committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is
                to appoint a representative. So <span class="gmail-il">I</span> don't
                think we need a motion.</span></div>
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          <div>As Caryl and Seb have reiterated on this thread: while
            they both helped run the election last year, they both said
            a few months ago that they are unable to volunteer for this
            year. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">At that time I offered to volunteer, as
          did Samson; and I found a possible web app to run the election
          and suggested Samuel Cantero could set it up, and he
          graciously did set it up. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">However, by September, (a) the GSOC
          project to make a font editor activity wound up, and (b)
           Sameer offered to lead the vision thing, and until that is
          done I am not confident about taking any other actions, and
          (c) I accepted an employment offer by Google and have had less
          free time since then compared to when I was working as a
          consultant, so I haven't done more of the things I said I
          would do. I wrote on August 5:</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">So, I volunteer to do
                    the following before the next SLOB meeting:</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will ask Sam C to
                    set up a new <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:sugar-announce@lists.sugarlabs.org"
                      target="_blank">sugar-announce@lists.<wbr>sugarlabs.org</a> mailing
                    list with himself, myself, samson, caryl and seb as
                    list admins. </div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will complete the
                    review of all accounts on the wiki to mark the ones
                    that look like spammers</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will make a final
                    'all possible members' email list</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will draft the email
                    that asks people to join the announce list and
                    explains why I am asking them to do this, and a
                    motion to approve the <span class="gmail-il">election</span> email,
                    and share it on the IAEP list for community review</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">- I will ask SLOBs to
                    post and second the motion</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">Then in early September
                    I can send the email, and prepare a report with the
                    new list of members and similarly to before another
                    draft email soliciting board applications for SLOB
                    to review and approve in the October meeting.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">Then in early October I
                    can send that email, perhaps also with the donation
                    request, and then prepare a final email calling for
                    votes that SLOB can review and approve in the
                    November meeting.</div>
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                  <div style="font-size:12.8px">Then in early November
                    the call for votes can go out, votes can come in,
                    and in early December the results can be announced. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">I still think this process is a good
          one, but regretfully I am not going to be able to put much
          effort into this until January at the earliest. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">So, I suggest that Samson and anyone
          who wants to volunteer to run the election take a look at that
          web app with Sam C and see if it really will work for Sugar
          Labs in 2016. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">If not, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://civs.cs.cornell.edu">http://civs.cs.cornell.edu</a>
          was used last year and should be a suitable mechanism for
          people to cast votes. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Finally, I think the very next step is
          for whoever volunteers to run the election to come up with a
          list of members emails to solicit votes from. (Where the
          discussions last trailed off was in discussing who should be
          on this 'final members list' - I think we agreed to cast a
          very wide net, and I made some progress reviewing wiki
          accounts and, defining the members list based on wiki +
          mailing list posters. I am happy to share that WIP and explain
          what I would do next with it, but it may be better for the
          person to start their own list.) </div>
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