<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">2016-06-13 19:05 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I have to say I with Samuel Greenfeld on this one. There are lots of potential issues with these machines (depending upon how they have been stored and maintained.) They could well have dead batteries (both the main battery and the battery for the RTC). They most certainly will need an investment in time by someone getting them unlocked and reflashed as well. That said, if we go that route, I have two bulk battery charging racks we could add to the mix.<div><br></div><div>Google just donated 8000 chromebooks to the X-Prize. Maybe we could try to go that route?</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Reading at <a href="http://learning.xprize.org/about/guidelines" target="_blank">http://learning.xprize.org/about/guidelines</a> I found that registration to participate in the competition is now closed. Is this the same you are suggesting?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was not suggesting we apply for the X-Prize. (As I said in an earlier thread, I didn't think it was a good match for Sugar Labs either as an organization or in terms of pedagogy.) I referred to the X-Prize donation only in order to substantiate the idea of soliciting a small donation of hardware from Google as a reference platform.</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>-walter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:20 AM, Samuel Greenfeld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" target="_blank">samuel@greenfeld.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>FOB (Freight on Board) means that the responsibility for
customs fees, shipping charges, etc. belongs to the buyer. XOs directly
purchased from OLPC historically had similar terms.<br><br></div><div>The shipping calculator on that listing can give you a rough idea of what it would cost to get to you in the US (around $500-$1000 uninsured).<br></div><div><br></div></div>Personally
I think it is a waste of funds and time given that someone will have to
go through all 172 XOs to verify their functionality, determine which
10-year-old batteries still can hold a charge, make repairs, etc. It would primarily be
of interest to projects which already get donated XO-1s and could
salvage parts of necessary, but not necessarily at the $4k price point.<br><br></div><div></div><div>Reselling
the laptops as usable also would incur a bit of liability that the
recycler (selling as-is) is not willing to take. About the only good
thing is that this recycler does not appear to be shipping from
Massachusetts, where one recycler was selling pre-release parts even
after being told they were not usable by anyone else.<br></div><div><br><br></div>While
we seem to have discovered Sugar Labs has money this year, Sugar Labs
is not a bank for everyone's little pet project. *Before* we spend any
significant portion of funds beyond the significant amount already
allocated for stipends & translation, I would like to see proof that
Sugar Labs can fund raise most of the money already spent back.<br><br></div>The only valid way I could see doing this would be to ask the recycler if they would be willing to just donate the laptops to the SFC (or another 501(c)3 registered XO-using nonprofit) and take the profit as a tax writeoff. But *before* this gets done, it really needs to be discussed by Sugar Labs' board {NOT people begging the recycler to do so via individual actions - if anything that would encourage them to raise their expected price}.<div><div><br><br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Sean DALY <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>they mean loading dock i.e. where you send the truck<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">Sean<br><br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Sam Parkinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com" target="_blank">sam.parkinson3@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Dave, I don't frequent EBay listings, but it says:<div><br></div><div>> <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif,verdana;font-size:13.3px">Customer is responsible for arrangement of freight trucking pickup and insurance from our dock</span></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px">Is that referring to the charging docks or the palette of laptops?</span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px">Obviously this is a small detail that doesn't effect the discussion, but it would probably change the figures a bit.</span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px">Thanks,</span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, verdana" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:13px">Sam<br></span></font><span><br>On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Dave Crossland <<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</span><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="white-space:pre-wrap">Hi
<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-172-OLPC-One-Laptop-Per-Child-XO-1-w-7-5-TFT-256MB-RAM-1024KB-ROM-/262478690514" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-172-OLPC-One-Laptop-Per-Child-XO-1-w-7-5-TFT-256MB-RAM-1024KB-ROM-/262478690514</a>
I propose that Sugar Labs buy these, image them with the 0.110
release, and sale them to raise funds; individual units regularly
clear $100 each, so this will raise around $13,000
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</div>Cheers
Dave
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