<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Hi<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 June 2016 at 13:45, Sebastian Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 June 2016 at 12:51, Sebastian
Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>></span>
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On 15/06/16 08:40, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
> However, <a href="http://www.one-education.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.one-education.org</a> has
just announced their new<br>
> unit, which is US$260 including tax (but plus
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> Perhaps that should be the reference unit?<br>
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</span>Just saw this closer and it looks like a really
nice laptop. It's a<br>
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<div>When I spoke to Rangan a couple months ago, he said
that there is no demand from the schools that One
Education serves for such an image.</div>
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It all depends on your intervention principles. In education, <b>we
see Free Software as the only ethical and coherent option because
it enables learners to examine and improve the tools we use to
learn</b>, or do our jobs.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As a percentage, how many school IT decision makers agree with you? <br></div><div><br></div><div>What is your strategy for engaging the ones who do not agree with you?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite">
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should try to get a donation for distributing to
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<div>Sadly <a href="https://github.com/oneeducation" target="_blank">https://github.com/oneeducation</a>
is not updated much, as they are working in private repos;
he wasn't sure if they will become public repos after
their launch ramps up. <br>
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classmate-class laptop <br>
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<div>What do you see the differences as between a classmate
and a chromebook?</div>
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I expect to be able to install a standard or customized GNU/linux
operating system on classmate-class laptops. At a certain scale I
expect I can have it pre-installed by the supplier and produced with
only free-software supported parts. I don't expect Chromebooks will
offer these possibilities.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>"Basically, all Intel hardware from year 2010 and beyond will never be supported by libreboot. The libreboot project is actively ignoring all modern Intel hardware at this point, and focusing on alternative platforms."<br></div><div><div>- <a href="https://libreboot.org/faq/#librem">https://libreboot.org/faq/#librem</a> </div><div><br class="">Do Classmates inherently require the Intel Management Engine? </div><div><br></div><div>Do non-Intel Chromebooks? </div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">we really need a good
OS proposal for those.</blockquote>
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<div>Can you point to any proposals that are similar to what
you have in mind (but perhaps not 'good,' as you define
it...)?</div>
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There are many. I can point to:<br>
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<li>DouDouLinux <a href="http://www.doudoulinux.org/web/english/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.doudoulinux.org/web/english/index.html</a></li>
<li>Qimu <a href="http://www.qimo4kids.com/what-is-qimo/" target="_blank">http://www.qimo4kids.com/what-is-qimo/</a></li>
<li>Trisquel TOAST
<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast</a></li>
<li>DebianEdu <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/</a></li>
<li>Minino <a href="http://minino.galpon.org/" target="_blank">http://minino.galpon.org/</a><br>
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<li>Huayra GNU Linux <a href="http://huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/" target="_blank">http://huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/</a></li>
<li>Canaima GNU Linux <a href="http://www.canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/" target="_blank">http://www.canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/</a><br>
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<p>They either:</p>
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<li>Don't include / consider Sugar</li>
<li>Are 'all or nothing'</li>
<li>Are hard to base from</li>
<li>Don't run well on classmates [because of drivers]</li>
<li>Are dead projects or dormant</li>
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<p>We propose development of a common <i> Sugar Blend </i>as a
base for a classmate-class laptop operating system:
<a href="https://wiki.debian.org/SugarBlend/Huayruro" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/SugarBlend/Huayruro</a></p>
<p>Such a project would overcome the previous limitations by
building on a common base.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>I am reminded a bit of <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DCMDoCYAEVHOZ.jpg">https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DCMDoCYAEVHOZ.jpg</a> - especially because of DebianEdu. </div><div><br></div><div>Why did you not join one of these projects and reinvigorate it to address the issues you listed?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>(Operating System or Open Source? :) <br>
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I never say Open Source. :-)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Me too; I prefer to say 'libre' :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'd be happy deploying 10 of them in a community center
near Puerto Maldonado and sharing results.<br>
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<div>I guess you are touch with Rangan already, but perhaps
we could schedule a call with the 3 of us if you are not
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I'm not in contact with him but I'd love to work together towards
the goal of producing a credible and fully supported operating
system for laptops such as these (there are many brands). It would
be great if we could gather support from manufacturers and
integrators for producing and releasing a supported
distribution/platform tested on specific models of laptops.<br></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div>In concrete terms, what can be done to work together with him on this? </div><div><br></div><div>Would you want him to send you a laptop? What else could he do for you?</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>Dave</div>
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