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    Dave<br>
    <br>
    Please compare the current version with the original proposed by
    Lionel Laske or yours before the goals were separated from the
    Vision or the <br>
    one proposed by Laura. Do you think that there is wide-spread
    agreement on the statement or that there has been no change in the
    past two <br>
    months?<br>
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    When a motion fails to achieve a second, there is a reason. After
    discussion and rewriting, the motion to distribute funds to the
    mentors got my <br>
    second immediately.<br>
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    The purpose of the Board meeting is to conduct the business of Sugar
    Labs. Note: at the last meeting, the emphasis on voting on a series
    of motions <br>
    resulted in no report from the Translation Community Manager.<br>
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    Tony<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/2016 07:02 AM, Dave Crossland
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Hi</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 4 June 2016 at 03:35, Tony
            Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div id=":5l1" class="">This discussion of procedures
                misses the point. Board meetings are not for the purpose
                of voting yea/nea on motions. </div>
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            <div>What do you think the purposes of the board meetings
              are, then?</div>
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              <div id=":5l1" class="">A majority of the Board
                members commented on these motions before the meeting.
                These comments were consistent with the comments made at
                the meeting with a couple of exceptions. We need to come
                to a consensus on the motions before they are presented
                to the Board.</div>
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            <div>I disagree completely :) This is not a Quaker Meeting
              House! :) Consensus is explicitly not required: Motions
              can pass if 1 board member is willing to second the motion
              and 4 affirmative votes (majority of 7 seats) are made. </div>
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              <div id=":5l1" class="">With the exception of motions to
                authorize payments, I don't see that any of these
                motions have an urgency that justifies their being
                passed immediately nor any harm to Sugar Labs resulting
                from their not being passed on June 3. </div>
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            <div>I suggest you refer to Walter's email to understand the
              harm that has been done.</div>
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                I appreciate the work and enthusiasm that you have
                brought to the Vision motion. However, I don't
                understand your apparent insensitivity to the obvious
                fact that these issues are very important to the
                community and deserve the time needed to obtain
                community understanding and commitment.</div>
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                You have provided a valuable framework in which to have
                these discussions and that is a major contribution. I
                hope that when the community discussion has reached
                consensus on the wording of a vision statement that you
                will be happy with the result and proud of your
                contribution to it.</div>
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          The community has had TWO MONTHS to get involved so far. How
          much time do you think is needed?<br>
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          Perhaps I should be drafting a 2017 vision?<br clear="all">
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          -- <br>
          <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>
            Dave</div>
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