<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>To reply would require naming names, times, and places. I prefer not to get that personal. The issues I refer to have been discussed at length by others in the past. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I had asked you off list so that you could choose to be discrete regarding public airing of indiscretions. I remain ignorant of what you are referring to and would appreciate a response.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd also like an explanation of seeming contradiction between your position regarding earmarked funds: on the one hand you say you don't want to provide general funds because they can be used generally and on the other, you suggested that earmarked funds be used generally. I am confused.</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>Caryl <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On May 24, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr"><font><font>Hi All….</font></font><div><br></div><div><font><font>Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good money off to be used in a similar fashion.</font></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>This is a serious accusation. (A) I am not aware of any carelessly disbursed funds; (B) you recently suggested (in a comment on the Financial Manager motion) that the earmarked funds should be spent on whatever we want, since "times change", a notion I strongly object to. I would appreciate a clarification.</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><font><font>Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences, booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors." </font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font><font>Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover their expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion.</font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font><font>I am not alone in this. </font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font><font>I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only way to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet."</font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font><font>I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues… a new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks!</font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font><font>Caryl</font></font></div><div><br><div><hr><font><font>From: </font></font><a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank"><font><font>dave@lab6.com</font></font></a><br><font><font>Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400</font></font><br><font><font>To: </font></font><a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><font><font>tony_anderson@usa.net</font></font></a><br><font><font>CC: </font></font><a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font><font>iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</font></font></a><br><font><font>Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements</font></font><div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font>Hi!</font></font></div><div><br><div><font><font>On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson </font></font><span dir="ltr"><font><font><</font></font><a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><font><font>tony_anderson@usa.net</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font></span><font><font> wrote:</font></font><br><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font><font>I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in our funds. </font></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font><font>That's right. </font></font></div><div><br></div><div><font><font>The #1 service for member projects listed at </font></font><a href="http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/" target="_blank"><font><font>http://sfconservancy.org/</font></font><font><font>members/services/</font></font></a><font><font> is:</font></font><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><b><font><font>Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations</font></font></b></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><font><font>Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy. Since Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors can often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors can indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific member project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the member project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from having to commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or having to set up their own project specific account.</font></font></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><font><font>Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits that the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but those limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit entity. Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership on how the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are:</font></font></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><ul><ul><li><font><font>funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant conferences.</font></font></li><li><font><font>domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment purchases.</font></font></li><li><font><font>purchasing media for distribution of project software at conferences and events.</font></font></li><li><font><font>paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the project's software and its documentation.</font></font></li><li><font><font>sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project.</font></font></li><li><font><font>trademark registration and enforcement.</font></font></li><li><font><font>FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity.</font></font></li></ul></ul></div><div><br></div></div><div><a href="http://sfconservancy.org/donate/" target="_blank"><font><font>http://sfconservancy.org/</font></font><font><font>donate/</font></font></a><font><font> says,</font></font><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><b><font><font>Donate to Our Member Projects</font></font></b></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><font><font>Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for its member projects. Donation links for these directed donation programs are typically found on the individual websites of our members.</font></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate" target="_blank"><font><font>https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/</font></font><font><font>Sugar_Labs/Donate</font></font></a><font><font> says,</font></font><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Mail us a check</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Please make your check payable to:</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>and place this note in the memo field:</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Directed donation: Sugar Labs</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Checks should then be mailed to:</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font>USA</font></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font><font>This needs to be made very clear on the web site.</font></font><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font><font>Sure :) Please draft something for what you think should be on the website donation page :)</font></font></div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font><font>
I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the
question. If it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel
comfortable with.</font></font></div></blockquote></div><br><font><font>I don't understand your point :)</font></font><br clear="all"><div><br></div><font><font>-- </font></font><br><div><font><font>Cheers</font></font><br><font><font>Dave</font></font></div>
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