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Hi Caryl<br>
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I totally agree. We should not require dues. We can ask for
donations. <br>
<br>
While the story is confused, my understanding is that the funds
which you described as 'carelessly disbursed' were from a grant and
not from donations to Sugar Labs.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/24/2016 08:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All….
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<div>Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on
the motion for "dues." I personally do not care to contribute
any unearmarked funds to SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at
the way funds have been carelessly disbursed to a select few
in the past and feel no need to send my good money off to be
used in a similar fashion.</div>
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<div>Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in
support of SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can
assure you they are substantial They include such things as
expenses to attend conferences, booth banners, printing costs
for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of potential Sugar users
and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors." </div>
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<div>Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others
to cover their expenses to do similar things and other things
that have far smaller "returns on investment." So, although I
cannot vote on this (since I am not a member of SLOB), I do
want to voice my opposition to this motion.</div>
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<div>I am not alone in this. </div>
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<div>I think if it passes you will lose many members who are
strong supporters of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do,
that SugarLabs is not the only way to do it. Put simply, they
will "vote with their feet."</div>
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<div>I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in
lieu of dues… a new banner, some clever swag or the like to
use in marketing Sugar and SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks!</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Caryl</div>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a><br>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit
Membership Donations + Public Statements<br>
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<div class="ecxgmail_extra">Hi!</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 23 May 2016 at 09:44,
Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>I am not aware of any method to donate money to
Sugar Labs. I understand we need to make the
donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive
in our funds. </div>
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<div>That's right. </div>
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<div>The #1 service for member projects listed at <a
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href="http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/">http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/</a></a>
is:<br>
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<div><b>Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations</b></div>
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<div>Member projects can receive earmarked
donations through Conservancy. Since Conservancy
is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York,
donors can often deduct the donation on their
USA taxes. Additionally, the donors can indicate
that their donation should be used to advance a
specific member project, and those funds are
kept in a separate account for the member
project by Conservancy. This structure prevents
developers from having to commingle project
funds with their own personal accounts or having
to set up their own project specific account.</div>
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<div>Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt
organization, there are some limits that the law
places on what member projects can do with their
assets, but those limits are the same as if the
project was an independent non-profit entity.
Usually, the project leadership instructs
Conservancy's leadership on how the project's
funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds
on the project's behalf on any expenses that
constitute appropriate activity under
Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission.
Some typical uses of earmarked donations by
Conservancy's member projects are:</div>
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<li>funding travel expenses for project
developers to attend relevant conferences.</li>
<li>domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and
computer equipment purchases.</li>
<li>purchasing media for distribution of
project software at conferences and events.</li>
<li>paying key developers on a contractual
basis to improve the project's software and
its documentation.</li>
<li>sponsoring and organizing conferences for
the project.</li>
<li>trademark registration and enforcement.</li>
<li>FLOSS license enforcement and compliance
activity.</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfconservancy.org/donate/"
target="_blank">http://sfconservancy.org/donate/</a>
says,<br>
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<div><b>Donate to Our Member Projects</b></div>
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<div>Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed
donation programs for its member projects.
Donation links for these directed donation
programs are typically found on the individual
websites of our members.</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate"
target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate</a>
says,<br>
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<div>Mail us a check</div>
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<div>Please make your check payable to:</div>
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<div>Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.</div>
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<div>and place this note in the memo field:</div>
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<div>Directed donation: Sugar Labs</div>
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<div>Checks should then be mailed to:</div>
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<div>Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.</div>
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<div>137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380</div>
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<div>Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548</div>
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<div>USA</div>
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<div>This needs to be made very clear on the web
site.<br>
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<div>Sure :) Please draft something for what you think
should be on the website donation page :)</div>
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<div> I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring
to asking the question. If it is a donation, a
person can donate what they feel comfortable with.</div>
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I don't understand your point :)<br clear="all">
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<div class="ecxgmail_signature">Cheers<br>
Dave</div>
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