<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-22 1:09 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Hi!<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><b style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Adam, please see my request below :)</b><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 21 May 2016 at 02:38, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi!<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>2016-05-20 20:51 GMT+08:00 Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 May 2016 at 00:38, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>What do you think?<br></div></div><div></div></blockquote></div><br>Debian has 1,000s of active contributors. From what I can see, we have a couple dozen, tops, so I kindly offer that this kind of structuring is wasted effort. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Could you please explain. I fail to see the correlation.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I am asserting that less people means less structure is required. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.army.mil/info/organization/unitsandcommands/oud/" target="_blank">https://www.army.mil/info/organization/unitsandcommands/oud/</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number</a></div><span class=""><div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think we are slightly over the definition of an "intimate community". According to <a href="http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_dd38dc6aa11d1a98" style="color:rgb(0,101,204);font-size:12.8px">http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_dd38dc6aa11d1a98</a> and <a href="http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_7fe0e83eba6b35ff" style="font-size:12.8px">http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_7fe0e83eba6b35ff</a> :</div><div> <br></div><div>55 members (out of 239 authorized for voting) voted in the 2012 elections</div><div>54 members (out of 242 authorized for voting) voted in the 2016 elections</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra">Here are the concrete actions that you listed, and how SL is getting them done already, from my point of view :) </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px">- represent the Project to others, giving talks and presentations about it, attending trade shows, as well as building good relationships with other organizations and companies, fundraising</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">We are all empowered to do this already :)</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:small"></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Sure, but having someone officially designed to do it might actually make it happen. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I kindly offer you my opinion that this is empirically false, </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Will all my respect, opinions are welcome but their are opinions ;D</div><div><br></div><div>Scientific method exists and it is based on experiences.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>and confess that I have been actively working in the last week to remove such empty designations: <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>sat for over 2 years with "open positions" that were unfilled and per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof</a> I think it is very unhelpful to leave stale positions open, actually detering people from joining the project because it seems moribund, so I struck them off: <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Vacancies&type=revision&diff=98758&oldid=92298" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Vacancies&type=revision&diff=98758&oldid=92298</a></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">- manages the project and defines its vision</span><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">We are all empowered to do this on the wiki, github, and motions to SLOBs :)</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>Managing a project is like driving a car; somebody has to do it and have accountability for the results/advances in a period of time. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I kindly disagree; managing an open, collaborative project like Sugar is not like driving a car with Walter as benevolent dictator in the driving seat. The horror! ;)</div><div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">Please think of me as a 10 year old when you communicate. English is not my native language so I really appreciate simplicity when making a point. <br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>We all can do it together! :) And in such a project, if we don't do something, there is no bad result except lost opportunity... so there's no accountability, </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There is always accountability. </div><div><br></div><div>Not just for the fact that there is a legal definition of what an unincorporated association is, but because we are delivering a set of products for children to use.</div><div> <br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_association</a><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>deadlines or fate except that we make for ourselves ;) <a href="https://youtu.be/NyGEy-2Hq64?t=51s" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/NyGEy-2Hq64?t=51s</a></div><div> </div><div>Of course if we raise funds to hire someone to do something, then they have a contract and accountability and deadlines. But Sugar Labs is not hiring anyone to define the vision, nor does it need to. </div><div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not stating SL should hire anybody. I'm suggesting to appoint a single Project Leader, under whose technical vision we can all continue exploring the satisfaction of a work well done.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>It needs a collaborative text editor, and people willing to write down their ideas, and we have this: <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016</a></div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div> <span style="font-size:12.8px">- </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">talk to other developers, assist their work; coordination and communication</span></div></span><div>Every ships needs a captain ;D</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Aye aye, Captain Bender ;)</div><span class=""><div> </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I can only speculate from this, that you do recognize that SL already has a Project Leader, so making it official shouldn't be a dramatic decision but a logic course of action.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">We are so small that everyone who is listening is here on this list :)</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>We shouldn't be so small. Sugar is an important project for society. Something is not ok with this reality and we need to face it. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Sure! :)</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">- conducting votes for the project -- notably the Project Leader elections, but also any other votes that are run (General Resolutions, for example). </span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">- <span style="font-size:12.8px">determining the number and identity of the people eligible to vote, for the purpose of calculating quorum</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px">We don't need a position to do these 2 things, we need a person (or more) to do it, and we here on this list are de facto the persons who could be that person. So I suggest we just get on with it :) </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Don't understand your point here. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>It seems to me that Seb and Caryl did this last year and would prefer not to do it again, and that you and I care about this, so I suggest that you and I do it this year. Would you like to?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm proposing the Project Secretary role to take care of this as they do it in the Debian community. IMHO you would be a much better Secretary than I :D<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">- adjudicating any disputes about interpretation of the constitution</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">We already have an ombudsman for this</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div></span><div>And thank God we do.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div>It does sound logical to keep current ombudsman figure and assignation as is.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div></div></span><div>I'm happy with this, and I don't have any changes to suggest or request. Would you like to anything changed about how the <span style="font-size:12.8px">adjudication of disputes is done?</span><br></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div>- keep track of project financial assets, income, expenditures and any other financial information<br><br>You are doing a great job :D<br><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>I can only deduce things out of public conversations. That is a very limited and stressful way of keeping track of financials.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div>I'm sorry to hear that its stressful for you - you're doing an awesome job!! :)</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Thanks for you comment, but without an annual Budget nor Income Projections we are all diving in the darkness. Keeping track of finances goes beyond checking the numbers, you need to have a plan and compare and adjust with actual transactions.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>However, when thinking abut what is ideal for tracking finances, I understand that Conservancy uses <a href="http://www.ledger-cli.org" target="_blank">www.ledger-cli.org</a> to do accounting and while SL is a Conservancy project, it must use a ledger-cli compatible system. </div><div><br></div><div>It is a text file based system (eg <a href="http://ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Example-Journal-File" target="_blank">http://ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Example-Journal-File</a>) and Adam has access to the Sugar Labs text file. This formed the basis of what he posted to <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance</a> in summary.</div><div><br></div><div>Ideally I would like the file to be published, and to put up a web UI for it using the <a href="http://hledger.org" target="_blank">http://hledger.org</a> tools. </div></div><div><br></div><div><div><b style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">Adam, can the full file be published?</b> <br></div><div></div></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div> <span style="font-size:12.8px">- keep track of hardware resources and any other physical assets of the project</span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div><br>I guess Walter and Bernie are doing this already<br><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>I guess the same. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I'm happy with this, and I don't have any changes to suggest or request. Would you like to anything changed about how physical assets are tracked?</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div> <span style="font-size:12.8px">- keep track of domain names, trademarks, and any other intangible assets of the project</span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div><br>I guess Conservancy is doing this already<br><span style="font-size:small"></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div> Not sure how this works.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><a href="http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/" target="_blank">http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/</a> explains a bit. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm happy with this, and I don't have any changes to suggest or request. Would you like to anything changed about how <span style="font-size:12.8px">intangible</span> assets are tracked?</div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">- periodically publish public reports about changes in assets and resources including (but not limited to): money coming in via donations, money being spent with SLOB approval, new hardware bought, etc.</span><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div><br>The finance manager motion Caryl drafted has requirements for this, but until then, its a shared responsibility of SLOBs, and I am pretty happy with how its been done<span style="font-size:small"> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>What do you mean, how its been done?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance</a> looks great!<br></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">- keep track of organizations holding assets in trust for project and propose to the SLOB changes in the list of trusted organization</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div><br>Does any other org hold any SL assets in trust? <br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div><br>Having 5 seats instead of 7, with defined roles and responsibilities for each might be a nice turning point for Sugar Labs.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>What are the _actions_ you want those roles to carry out? <br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This are not "jobs" they are roles. Project Leader, Project Secretary and 3 Auditors, should do the best they can and/or all actions necessary to perform well and obtain results. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div><br></div><div>(Also, why drop 2 seats?)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Unless we add another role with specific responsibilities to the proposed <b>Board Structure</b> it sounded like the most logical course of action.</div><div><br></div><div>Herbert Thelen proposed a principle that for members of groups to have maximum motivation to perform, the number of members in each should be the smallest "in which it is possible to have represented at a functional level all the social and achievement skills required for the particular required activity."<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Size_of_groups,_organizations,_and_communities">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Size_of_groups,_organizations,_and_communities</a> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">-- </span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><font color="#888888"><div>Cheers<br>Dave</div>
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