<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> <div>> From: cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 02:24:21 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs > To: dave@lab6.com > CC: samsongoddy@hotmail.com; sora@unleashkids.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; samsongoddy@gmail.com; slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org; laura@somosazucar.org; cbigenho@hotmail.com; nicestep@gmail.com; tch@sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; tim@timmoody.com > > To many cc:s is getting this moderated. Trying again. > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com> wrote: > > I worked with Samson to refine a narrower proposal that has been > > presented to the SLOB by email. It is for the SLOB or Samson to > > decide how / when to share it with the wider community. It is for the > > SLOB to determine the how / when of discussing the proposal. I am > > confident that all details will be public before any decision is > > taken, I would characterize them as generally similar to previously > > funded translation work, specific terms of which have been shared > > previously. > > > > cjl > > > > cjl > > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Dave Crossland <dave@lab6.com> wrote: > >> Hi! > >> > >> Its been 2 weeks since this thread was last updated; has anything else > >> happened to move the proposal forward? Am I right that this will be decided > >> on at the next SLOB meeting? > >> > >> Samson, some more questions below: > >> > >> On 6 April 2016 at 08:00, samson goddy <samsongoddy@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks for the question Dave, Let me explain why the Yoruba came with > >>> the price $6,000. Originally, The Yoruba come with a price of 1500 USD. > >>> About the Internet plan in Nigeria is quite expensive. Like i told Tony, > >>> getting a portable internet connection plus the device cost about $300 a > >>> month. > >> > >> > >> Which provider/offer is this? :) > >> > >>> > >>> I also explained that getting anything related to tech is also expensive > >>> in Nigeria. For example getting an iphone6 plus might cost about $700-800 in > >>> USA or amazon, with the current exchange rate of 200 Nigerian naira to 1 > >>> dollar doesn't make everything in Nigeria cheaper. To get that same phone in > >>> Nigeria is about 250,000 naira here in Nigeria that about 1255.0225 US > >>> Dollar, you see the difference. India or USA is not Nigeria these country > >>> has a stable economy. You could do you research about Nigeria economy > >>> currently and see for yourself. > >> > >> > >> I understand - India is pretty similar to that :) > >> > >> Is the breakdown of the $6k something like this? > >> > >> $1,500 translation > >> $ 900 portable net @ $300/month x 3 months > >> $3,600 laptops > >> > >> If there are other items, it seems the laptop is surely a larger item in the > >> breakdown. So I wonder about the possibility of leasing/renting laptops. Eg > >> I found http://xtramindsconcept.com.ng/laptops who advertise they leased a > >> classroom of laptops to Google Nigeria. While that is in Lagos, I expect if > >> you can visit a dozen computer repair shops, you could probably charm one of > >> them to rent you some old stock for a good price. > >> > >> And there's also the 2nd hand market. Looking on olx.com I found a couple of > >> nearly-new laptops for around USD$400 in Port Harcourt: > >> > >> https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/1-month-used-hp-pavilion-dv7-corei7-with-radeon-graphics-beat-audio-ID15HCC1.html > >> > >> https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/7months-old-hp-pavillion-for-sale-ID15I6yI.html > >> (although you might also need that charm, "Carefully and softly used by a > >> girl and so I wish a girl will also buy it" it says ;) (That market "OLX" is not advisable, it a fraud place. They usually ask for 40% before they give you any goods. I was a victim before(9,000 Nigeria naira) $45. There places where i can get used laptops.) > >> > >> I also find the $300/month mobile data cost high. How many Gb of data will > >> you need? > >> > >> It seems that, new, its N15,000 ($USD75) for a hotspot wifi - > >> http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/devices/portable-wifi-routers/ - and > >> N5,000 (USD$25) for 5Gb of data - > >> http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/data-plans/ - which can be doubled > >> by working on a "campus" - > >> http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/glo-campus-data-booster/ - and such (As you can see it a campus data, i can't go to any university to browse.) Glo is not a good choice for internet service in Nigeria. But "Etisalat" is. I intend to use smile <a href="https://smile.com.ng/product/unlimited-smifi/" target="_blank">https://smile.com.ng/product/unlimited-smifi/</a> because it faster and it has coverage more than the glo service. Glo only workshop effective in Lagos and not all places in Port Harcourt. > >> hotspots can also be bought for around 1/3 of that price on olx.com Fraud site!!! > >> > >> Finally, how many translators would be involved for the $1,500, which is > >> spent over 12 weeks? :) 3 including me > >> > >>> "Can some of these XO laptops be recovered/recycled. The owners are now in > >>> their late teens and probably wanting to use smartphones or standard > >>> laptops. They may be willing to sell them for a relatively small amount > >>> given that the local demand for XOs is probably negligible. These could be > >>> refurbished and deployed either to support a local hackerspace or to supply > >>> enough for one class at a local school."? yes they can. Those who don't want > >>> to use the xo any more normally give them to their young ones to use. > >> > >> > >> That's great! :) > >> > >>> > >>> "Finally, I think it would be cool to think about this funding as > >>> investment, rather than just straight funding. You are going go through the > >>> effort of finding people to translate, teaching them about Sugar, getting > >>> new hardware for Sugar related projects, etc etc! It is a lot :) So, if you > >>> do all that, I recommend thinking about how to use that built up energy and > >>> value in a way that can move towards self-funding this kind of effort. For > >>> example, offering workshops business model, because the risks can be > >>> minimized and it can have low overheads, and there are several markets for > >>> them - eg, offering sugar workshops to wealthier communities of parents who > >>> are passionate about these languages; or, partnering with existing IT > >>> training businesses."? Yes that is want i have in mind to do. That is my plan > >> > >> > >> :D > >> > >>> > >>> Yes i would create Sugar Labs workshops, in Port Harcourt probably in > >>> other parts of Nigeria too. These workshop will bring more users to the > >>> sugar community, uses the xo's, Sugar on stick, sugarizer. It will be a > >>> whole new word for Nigerians. I already find partners for the workshop. And > >>> also i would really like if some one from Sugar Labs community will be > >>> present too e.g like walter for Musics Blocks and Turtle art JS. Also most > >>> of this questions you are answer is already been answered. I am spending a > >>> lot of $ in cyber cafe. So i can't really answer all your questions. like i > >>> said before SLOBs should invest in this proposal probably this April(i am > >>> not forcing the issue) so that things can be done quicker. and i can be able > >>> to start planing for workshops. > >> > >> > >> I am not a SLOB (nor even am I a Member, yet :) but I would like to see > >> that, even if the primary purpose of the funds is translation, that this > >> proposal can catalyse the nigeria deployments "graduates" into contributors > >> - hopefully long term. > >> > >> So I'd like to suggest that you add more of these ideas into the proposal > >> document, so that it can be turned into a motion at the next SLOB meeting. > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers > >> Dave </div> </div></body> </html>