<div dir="ltr">Really?<div><br></div><div>On January you wrote:</div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">"I am following OLPC as part of a research paper on open source organizations."</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2015-January/017152.html">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2015-January/017152.html</a></span></font><br></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Followed a thread with replies from different members of the community and you finished with:</span></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap">"Thank you for the information. It is interesting to study how projects evolve and devolve over time."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">I don't know what believe now.</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Good luck with your research :)</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Gonzalo</span></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Dan Tenason <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan.tenason@mail.ru" target="_blank">dan.tenason@mail.ru</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>I work as a researcher for a foundation which received a grant proposal for a laptop project. There were several issues which needed clarification. I suppose that can be seen as trolling.<br><br>Thanks and good luck with you project.<br><br><br>Friday, April 17, 2015 8:11 AM -03:00 from Gonzalo Odiard <<a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a>>:<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Dan,<div><br></div><div>You was qualified as a troll because you said we should divide the 3M number by 10 and you assume we were deceiving.</div><div> </div><div>See the Wikipedia definition of troll:</div><div><span style="vertical-align:super">"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]"<br><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11.1999998092651px;line-height:8.96000003814697px"><br></span></font></span></div><div><span style="vertical-align:super"><font color="#252525" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11.1999998092651px;line-height:8.96000003814697px"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll</a></span></font></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>You asked your question in a thread started to discuss how improve the content </div><div>of <a href="http://sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugarlabs.org</a> site.</div><div>The site was not updated on a time, then if is true a percentage of machines can be broken now, <br></div><div>was not crazy correlate the number of machines sold with our software to number of users</div><div>at the moment the site was created.</div><div>But we also know there are cases where other hardware is used with Sugar, like here [1]</div><div>and we know the numbers in Uruguay only, are more than 300.000 machines, then,</div><div>your comment looks completely wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>At times I also think we are "too optimistic", but we need optimism</div><div>to work in a project like this. Don't assume bad intentions.</div><div><br></div><div>The worst part is I have tried to start a discussion abut how to improve the web site,</div><div>and instead of that we discuss about one line in the old web site,</div><div>and do not have any proposal for improvement. And that is the effect of trolling,</div><div>stop others and not add anything positive to the conversation.</div><div><br></div><div>Everybody here can contribute in a different way: programming, testing,</div><div>go to remote places and put solar panels in schools, write docs. </div><div>But not everybody _want_ contribute.</div><div><br></div><div>Gonzalo</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://www.fenix951.com.ar/nuevo_2013/noticia.php?id=4552" target="_blank">http://www.fenix951.com.ar/nuevo_2013/noticia.php?id=4552</a></div><div><br></div></div><div><br><div>On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Dan Tenason <span dir="ltr"><<a href="https://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adan.tenason@mail.ru" target="_blank">dan.tenason@mail.ru</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>A few weeks ago I raised the question about how phrase three million daily users was calculated. The general line of thought in a thread on sugar-devel was we don't know but we think it is an optimistic figure based on the total number of laptops OLPC produced. Further analysis is hard and we can't be bothered to do it. Furthermore, anyone who questions the number is a troll.<br><br>It would seem natural that an education project which promotes critical thinking would substantiate its own claims. If any organization tries to bury the numbers, one should ask why they are doing so.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>-- <br>Dan Tenason</font></span></div>
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