<div dir="ltr">Caryl and Sebastian, <div>Looks like a plan.</div><div>We can confirm that in the next SLOBs meeting.</div><div>About <a href="mailto:members@sugarlabs.org">members@sugarlabs.org</a>, I don't know who manage that,</div><div>maybe Bernie?</div><div> </div><div>Gonzalo</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Sebastian Silva <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Forgot to mention, we also need to get access to <a href="mailto:members@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">members@sugarlabs.org</a>, since I suspect new membership applications have gone stale for a long time now. (see [1]) [1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership</a> <div>El 10/03/15 a las 15:05, Sebastian Silva escibió: </div><div><div class="h5"> <blockquote type="cite"> Hi Caryl, Thanks for co-volunteering with me! As I see it, what needs to be done is: 1- Tally up a list of current Sugar Members's emails (starting from <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List" target="_blank">here</a>) 2- Setup a survey to ask if they want to stay active, voting members (I propose to use the LimeSurvey software. Infrastructure team can set it up and it's easy to use.) 3- Get familiar with Selectricity, our current voting mechanism. Get access to the voting machine. 4- Improve the voting experience. For instance, en español instructions are a must in this community. 5- Determine in consensus when an election will take place. If we can be formally appointed, I'm certain you will be able to contribute to every step of the process. Regards, Sebastian <div>El 10/03/15 a las 14:18, Caryl Bigenho escibió: </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>Hi All</div> <div> </div> For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do? <div> </div> <div>Caryl <div>> From: <a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500 > To: <a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a> > CC: <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time? > > Adam, > > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love to my > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and > merit by myself. > > Best wishes, > Laura V > > > > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva <a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank"><sebastian@fuentelibre.org></a>: > > Well, > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here. > > > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has always > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny. > > > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió: > > > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me, how do > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife running > > for office, and himself running the election? > > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva <a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank"><sebastian@fuentelibre.org></a> > > wrote: > >> > >> Yes, > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email: > >> > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as > >> per the governance model. > >> > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sebastian > >> > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: > >> > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee > >> to replace Luke. > >> > >> Gonzalo > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender <a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank"><walter.bender@gmail.com></a> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sebastian, > >>> > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be > >>> concrete in your proposal. > >>> > >>> regards. > >>> > >>> -walter > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva > >>> <a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank"><sebastian@fuentelibre.org></a> wrote: > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end > >>> > of > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say: > >>> > > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven > >>> > (7) > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar Membership. The > >>> > positions > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The > >>> > members of > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal > >>> > of a > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board. > >>> > > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should > >>> > not > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee. > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA. > >>> > > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to > >>> > the > >>> > Sugar Labs members. > >>> > > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period > >>> > would > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no > >>> > shortage). > >>> > > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as > >>> > per > >>> > the governance model. > >>> > > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the gruntwork > >>> > to run > >>> > the election. > >>> > > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and the > >>> > accepted oversight board. > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow > >>> > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members</a> : > >>> > > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit] > >>> > > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of > >>> > the > >>> > current status of the project and its participants, once a year members > >>> > will > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If > >>> > this > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has > >>> > been > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six > >>> > months > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an > >>> > invitation to > >>> > reapply. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working with > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment. > >>> > > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the election > >>> > process. > >>> > > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Sebastian > >>> > > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió: > >>> > > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term replacements > >>> > due to > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth amending > >>> > them > >>> > to include. > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender > >>> > <a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank"><walter.bender@gmail.com></a> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer candidates > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another > >>> >> election at the end of 2015. > >>> >> > >>> >> Regards. > >>> >> > >>> >> -walter > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas <a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank"><laura@somosazucar.org></a> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at that > >>> >> > time... > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when we have enough > >>> >> > candidates. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><godiard@sugarlabs.org></a>: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas > >>> >> >> <a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank"><laura@somosazucar.org></a> > >>> >> >> wrote: > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo, > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to me be > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with long > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have shown interest, > >>> >> >>> like > >>> >> >>> I have > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Hi Laura, > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature? > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to > >>> >> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates</a> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only two candidates to > >>> >> >> fill 4 > >>> >> >> seats. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can run a > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon! > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><godiard@sugarlabs.org></a>: > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian, > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the > >>> >> >>> > deployments > >>> >> >>> > confidential > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the > >>> >> >>> > deployment > >>> >> >>> > involved. > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation > >>> >> >>> > with > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand. > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware with > >>> >> >>> > X > >>> >> >>> > software, > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure. > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive. > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the > >>> >> >>> >> members > >>> >> >>> >> fro > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs, > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern? > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies. > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email. > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying > >>> >> >>> > something > >>> >> >>> > different. > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and > >>> >> >>> >> teachers, > >>> >> >>> >> like > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list. > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> And? > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question. > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> >> >>> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> >>> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> -- > >>> >> >>> Laura V. > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning! > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> -- > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > -- > >>> >> > Laura V. > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire > >>> >> > IRC kaametza > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Happy Learning! > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> >> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Walter Bender > >>> >> Sugar Labs > >>> >> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Walter Bender > >>> Sugar Labs > >>> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Gonzalo Odiard > >> > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >> > >> -- > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ <a href="http://unleashkids.org" target="_blank">http://unleashkids.org</a> ! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > > -- > Laura V. > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org > > Identi.ca/Skype acaire > IRC kaametza > > Happy Learning! > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </div></div></div> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </blockquote></div> <div> </div>-- <div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Gonzalo Odiard <div>SugarLabs - Software for children learning </div></div></div> </div>