<div dir="ltr">Thanks Caryl !!<div>That is what we need, volunteers.</div><div> </div><div>Gonzalo</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Caryl Bigenho <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi All</div><div> </div>For heaven's sake! No wonder we are always stalled. If it will help, I'll do the election. It can't be that much work. I have no conflicts of interest. What would I need to do?<div> </div><div>Caryl <div>> From: <a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 13:54:09 -0500 > To: <a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a> > CC: <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Will anything change this time?<div><div class="h5"> > > Adam, > > To your "conflict of interest" concern and with all the love to my > husband, I can only respond that I believe I have enough skills and > merit by myself. > > Best wishes, > Laura V > > > > 2015-03-10 13:31 GMT-05:00 Sebastian Silva <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>>: > > Well, > > It's 2015 and we are all hackers here. > > > > Your question is only a technical question, and the whole process has always > > been/forever will be open for scrutiny. > > > > Regards, > > Sebastian > > > > El 10/03/15 a las 13:25, Adam Holt escibió: > > > > If Sebastian becomes the Elections Committee which is fine with me, how do > > we avoid a more-than-Clintonesque conflict-of-interest with his wife running > > for office, and himself running the election? > > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Sebastian Silva <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>> > > wrote: > >> > >> Yes, > >> Exactly this is my proposal, from my prior email: > >> > >> I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. > >> I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as > >> per the governance model. > >> > >> Therefore, the board would have to appoint me formally. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sebastian > >> > >> El 10/03/15 a las 13:01, Gonzalo Odiard escibió: > >> > >> Would be good if someone volunteer to integrate the elections committee > >> to replace Luke. > >> > >> Gonzalo > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Sebastian, > >>> > >>> The election was discussed in public SLOB meetings. We made public > >>> decisions with opportunity for public input. If you want to ask the > >>> board to revisit its decisions, that is fine. Please try to be > >>> concrete in your proposal. > >>> > >>> regards. > >>> > >>> -walter > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Sebastian Silva > >>> <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>> wrote: > >>> > Actually, the governance model says nothing about election at the end > >>> > of > >>> > every year, nor about shortages of candidates. It does say: > >>> > > >>> > Sugar Labs shall be governed by an Oversight Board, consisting of seven > >>> > (7) > >>> > members elected by the Sugar community—the Sugar Membership. The > >>> > positions > >>> > on the Oversight Board will be on a two-year staggered basis. The > >>> > members of > >>> > the Oversight Board may be removed from the position at any time by a > >>> > majority vote of the Community Members. Upon the resignation or removal > >>> > of a > >>> > member of the Oversight Board, the Community Members shall elect a > >>> > replacement Community Member to serve on the Oversight Board. > >>> > > >>> > In my humble opinion, the decision about when to do elections should > >>> > not > >>> > reside with the board, but with the elections committee. > >>> > Aparently lfaraone is MIA. > >>> > > >>> > At any rate this course of events should've been discussed/announced to > >>> > the > >>> > Sugar Labs members. > >>> > > >>> > It could've been expected, that the board members with expired period > >>> > would > >>> > simply no longer be board members and that the 2 candidates would be > >>> > promoted to board members (as pretty much happened last year, except no > >>> > shortage). > >>> > > >>> > I have volunteered to be member of elections committee since Oct 2014. > >>> > I cannot do this work without being appointed the role by the board, as > >>> > per > >>> > the governance model. > >>> > > >>> > I did not become a candidate because I was expecting do the gruntwork > >>> > to run > >>> > the election. > >>> > > >>> > I will abide by what the majority of Sugar Labs members wish and the > >>> > accepted oversight board. > >>> > If we are to run elections any time we need to also follow > >>> > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members</a> : > >>> > > >>> > Currency assurance policy[edit] > >>> > > >>> > In order to ensure that the Sugar Labs Membership list is reflective of > >>> > the > >>> > current status of the project and its participants, once a year members > >>> > will > >>> > be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a Sugar Labs Member. If > >>> > this > >>> > request bounces, or if a request has not been replied to after it has > >>> > been > >>> > a) resent, b) checked for a more current email address, and c) six > >>> > months > >>> > have passed, the member will be sent a removal notice with an > >>> > invitation to > >>> > reapply. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I am in technical capacity and have the good will to begin working with > >>> > these objectives as soon as I get the board's appointment. > >>> > > >>> > I would like to hear more opinion from the community about the election > >>> > process. > >>> > > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Sebastian > >>> > > >>> > El 10/03/15 a las 11:47, Samuel Greenfeld escibió: > >>> > > >>> > If the current governing documents don't allow mid-term replacements > >>> > due to > >>> > someone resigning or shortages, that might be something worth amending > >>> > them > >>> > to include. > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Walter Bender > >>> > <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> We run elections at the end of each year. If we have fewer candidates > >>> >> than slots to fill, we don't run the election. We'll run another > >>> >> election at the end of 2015. > >>> >> > >>> >> Regards. > >>> >> > >>> >> -walter > >>> >> > >>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Laura Vargas <<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > I'm really sorry I didn't understood well your intructions at that > >>> >> > time... > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Now, my name is on the list ;D > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > According to your logic, we should run elections when we have enough > >>> >> > candidates. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > How many additional candidates do we need? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > 2015-03-10 11:23 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <<a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a>>: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Laura Vargas > >>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>> > >>> >> >> wrote: > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Hi Gonzalo, > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Regarding the Sugar Labs Board, if no elections are going to me be > >>> >> >>> made, how do you justify not to rotate the board members with long > >>> >> >>> time active volunteers? specially those who have shown interest, > >>> >> >>> like > >>> >> >>> I have > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Hi Laura, > >>> >> >> Why you didn't follow the procedure to make your candidature? > >>> >> >> You only needed add your name to > >>> >> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates</a> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> That was requested many times, and there are only two candidates to > >>> >> >> fill 4 > >>> >> >> seats. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Gonzalo > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Thanks and I really hope (for the sake of the kids) we can run a > >>> >> >>> democratic community soon! > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> 2015-03-10 10:06 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard <<a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a>>: > >>> >> >>> > Hi Sebastian, > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > In this specific case, we will keep the replies from the > >>> >> >>> > deployments > >>> >> >>> > confidential > >>> >> >>> > and release a general inform with conclusions without naming the > >>> >> >>> > deployment > >>> >> >>> > involved. > >>> >> >>> > There are a reason for that, and anybody involved in negotiation > >>> >> >>> > with > >>> >> >>> > countries will understand. > >>> >> >>> > Every time than a country say will buy N number of hardware with > >>> >> >>> > X > >>> >> >>> > software, > >>> >> >>> > all the big companies start to pressure. > >>> >> >>> > Transparency have a big value, but we can't be naive. > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> and we are organizing a face to face meeting with all the > >>> >> >>> >> members > >>> >> >>> >> fro > >>> >> >>> >> SLOBs, > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> How will this help to address Dan's (valid) concern? > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> to discuss strategies. > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > We need do a deep discussion we can't do by irc or email. > >>> >> >>> > I don't know if this is the solution, but we are trying > >>> >> >>> > something > >>> >> >>> > different. > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> We are discussing more ideas, like survey the community and > >>> >> >>> >> teachers, > >>> >> >>> >> like > >>> >> >>> >> was proposed in this list. > >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> And? > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > I don't understand the question. > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > Gonzalo > >>> >> >>> > > >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> >> >>> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> >>> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> -- > >>> >> >>> Laura V. > >>> >> >>> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Identi.ca/Skype acaire > >>> >> >>> IRC kaametza > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Happy Learning! > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> -- > >>> >> >> Gonzalo Odiard > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > -- > >>> >> > Laura V. > >>> >> > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Identi.ca/Skype acaire > >>> >> > IRC kaametza > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Happy Learning! > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> >> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Walter Bender > >>> >> Sugar Labs > >>> >> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >>> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Walter Bender > >>> Sugar Labs > >>> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Gonzalo Odiard > >> > >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > >> > >> -- > >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ <a href="http://unleashkids.org" target="_blank">http://unleashkids.org</a> ! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > > -- > Laura V. > I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org > > Identi.ca/Skype acaire > IRC kaametza > > Happy Learning! > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </div></div></div></div> </div></div> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> </blockquote></div> <div> </div>-- <div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Gonzalo Odiard <div>SugarLabs - Software for children learning </div></div></div> </div>