<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, Caryl<br> <br> Etoys is also supported by a web site: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://etoysillinois.org/">http://etoysillinois.org/</a> which is somewhat comparable to the Scratch site. If Etoys to Go works on an XO, then the contents of the usb drive could be copied to a folder on an XO and run from there. The 10 videos from Waveplace provide an approachable introduction to Etoys and are on the school server. Perhaps, some additional videos are needed to introduce other features. As Bert pointed out years ago, EToys has built in tutorial projects in addition to those at Illinois.<br> <br> I am becoming more curious about this topic. Perhaps someone has some technical details on what Fedora has done to break etoys and why. <br> <br> Tony<br> <br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/05/2015 02:44 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:BLU176-W423A96AF75F757E5676402CC1E0@phx.gbl" type="cite"> <style></style> <div dir="ltr"> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Hi...</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3"><br> </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Some thoughts about Etoys: Tim Falconer and other folks at Waveplace (deployments around the Caribbean) have made excellent use of Etoys and have made a series of lessons about its use available at:</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.waveplace.com/courseware/basic-etoys/">http://www.waveplace.com/courseware/basic-etoys/</a></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br> </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">However, I don't recall seeing anywhere that they use many other parts of Sugar with the students. So the question could become: does Etoys need to be "packaged" with Sugar. </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br> </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Something to consider in answering the question is that Etoys is available in a very portable version as "Etoys to Go": <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.squeakland.org/download/">http://www.squeakland.org/download/</a> One nice feature about Etoys To Go is that you can put it on a thumb drive and move it from a Linux machine to a Windows machine to a Mac machine and the files will all be readable and usable! Also, it leaves nothing behind on the host machine. It is all on the usb drive!</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br> </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">We can thank Bert Freudenberg for that! I'm adding him to this conversation so he might be able to give us an update on the latest news from Etoys… is a version for Android and/or IOS coming that would also be as portable as the current Etoys To Go? Universal portability would be a wonderful goal (for Sugar too)!</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br> </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Personally, like Sora, I have found the Etoys learning curve a bit steep. Once I did a workshop about Etoys To Go for a roomful of tech-saavy teachers. They just really didn't get it. I also tried to contribute to a project where some folks were making some science lessons in Etoys… but found it really difficult to get it to do what I wanted it too. </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br> </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Yet, my favorite little ecology simulation is an Etoys featured project "Fish And Plankton". It is great fun to experiment with and can teach some powerful lessons! <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7303">http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7303</a> Try letting it run overnight with different starting parameters and see what happens…. fun!</font></p> <div><br> </div> Caryl<br> <div> <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 13:43:01 -0300<br> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a><br> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sora@unleashkids.org">sora@unleashkids.org</a><br> CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tkkang@nurturingasia.com">tkkang@nurturingasia.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><br> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction<br> <br> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="ecxgmail_extra"> <div class="ecxgmail_quote"> <blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="ecxgmail_extra"> <div class="ecxgmail_quote"> <div> </div> <blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div>If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora, what has the end-user gained?</div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora.</div> <div>Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is working for free,</div> <div>then we can't force him to dedicate hours to work on that. </div> <div> </div> <blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="ecxgmail_extra"> <div class="ecxgmail_quote"> <blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">Would a GSOC effort be better devoted to moving from Scratch 1 to Scratch 2 than rewriting imageviewer?</blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>I don't know. Scratch 2 use Flash and need Adobe Air, then we need check how works in the XOs.</div> <div>I have read Scratch team is working in HTML5 version, that would be great.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>About rewrite imageviewer, if we want allow use Sugar to kids without XOs,we need move forward to HTML5/Js. </div> <div>Maybe Image Viewer is not a prioritary activity,</div> <div>but is a good task to introduce developers because is relatively easy.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Anyway the proposed tasks for GSoC are only a start, you can propose other, and we will need do a selection</div> <div>when Google define how many projects will fund.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Gonzalo </div> <div><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a></div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>