<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Hi...</font></p><p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3"><br></font></p><p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Some thoughts about Etoys: Tim Falconer and other folks at Waveplace (deployments around the Caribbean) have made excellent use of Etoys and have made a series of lessons about its use available at:</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3"><a href="http://www.waveplace.com/courseware/basic-etoys/">http://www.waveplace.com/courseware/basic-etoys/</a></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">However, I don't recall seeing anywhere that they use many other parts of Sugar with the students. So the question could become: does Etoys need to be "packaged" with Sugar. </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Something to consider in answering the question is that Etoys is available in a very portable version as "Etoys to Go": <a href="http://www.squeakland.org/download/">http://www.squeakland.org/download/</a> One nice feature about Etoys To Go is that you can put it on a thumb drive and move it from a Linux machine to a Windows machine to a Mac machine and the files will all be readable and usable! Also, it leaves nothing behind on the host machine. It is all on the usb drive!</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">We can thank Bert Freudenberg for that! I'm adding him to this conversation so he might be able to give us an update on the latest news from Etoys… is a version for Android and/or IOS coming that would also be as portable as the current Etoys To Go? Universal portability would be a wonderful goal (for Sugar too)!</font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Personally, like Sora, I have found the Etoys learning curve a bit steep. Once I did a workshop about Etoys To Go for a roomful of tech-saavy teachers. They just really didn't get it. I also tried to contribute to a project where some folks were making some science lessons in Etoys… but found it really difficult to get it to do what I wanted it too. </font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="font-family: Helvetica;"><font size="3">Yet, my favorite little ecology simulation is an Etoys featured project "Fish And Plankton". It is great fun to experiment with and can teach some powerful lessons! <a href="http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7303">http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7303</a> Try letting it run overnight with different starting parameters and see what happens…. fun!</font></p><div><br></div>Caryl<br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 13:43:01 -0300<br>From: godiard@sugarlabs.org<br>To: sora@unleashkids.org<br>CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; tkkang@nurturingasia.com; tony_anderson@usa.net<br>Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora, what has the end-user gained?</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora.</div><div>Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is working for free,</div><div>then we can't force him to dedicate hours to work on that. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">Would a GSOC effort be better devoted to moving from Scratch 1 to Scratch 2 than rewriting imageviewer?</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't know. Scratch 2 use Flash and need Adobe Air, then we need check how works in the XOs.</div><div>I have read Scratch team is working in HTML5 version, that would be great.</div><div><br></div><div>About rewrite imageviewer, if we want allow use Sugar to kids without XOs,we need move forward to HTML5/Js. </div><div>Maybe Image Viewer is not a prioritary activity,</div><div>but is a good task to introduce developers because is relatively easy.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway the proposed tasks for GSoC are only a start, you can propose other, and we will need do a selection</div><div>when Google define how many projects will fund.</div><div><br></div><div>Gonzalo </div><div><br></div></div> </div></div> <br>_______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</div> </div></body> </html>