Sorry for the top posting, quoting on gmail on iPhone is a pain.<div> </div><div>* I'm glad that you see some runway for the XO and I really hope you are right, it would be awesome. I think even just the uncertainity is a big issue for upstream development at the moment. Not knowing if anyone is going to build F20 based images for example...</div> <div>* The issue I see with Chromebook is that it's mostly a locked down platform. It has a supported developer mode which is better than nothing but I'm not sure is enough. How many people will feel like going through the hassle and risk to break their working OS? Will deployments be able to work with something like that? It even requires to ctrl-d on every boot... I sort of wish the ARM vendors started to use secure uefi, and that's saying it all :/</div> <div> On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'dwnarvaez@gmail.com')">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'sdaly.be@gmail.com')">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development >> ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity >> work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of >> Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld tactile >> devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards are no >> longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. Perhaps the >> XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from OLPC. > > > > I'll try to express briefly my feelings about the directions the project > could take. Note that I might be missing a lot of what is going on above the > technical level. > > * The XO is not a viable hardware platform other than for existing > deployments. OLPC is pretty clearly going in a different direction. I may be alone in thinking that there will be some runway left with the XO. But deployments need alternatives regardless. > * Sugar web activities on the top of a full Android loses too much of the > Sugar value proposition. It's great to have it in addition to Sugar-the-OS, > but it's not enough alone. I agree. > * From the technical point of view there are several ways to get > Sugar-the-OS running on tactile devices. Unfortunately it's not clear to me > that any of these devices is open enough to be viable for deployments or > "ordinary" users. We looked at ChromeOS a few years back, but at the time it was too heavy for our hardware. Today, it is a different story. Might be a viable option. Certainly running GNU/Linux/Sugar on a ChromeBook is not a bad starting point. > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org')">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> </blockquote></div> -- Daniel Narvaez