<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
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<div><div dir="ltr">Hi Gonzalo!<div><br></div><div>This is a wonderful resource! It will take me some time to read, study, and absorb it all, but it looks like it answers most of the questions I have. I have been wondering about the possibility of "crowd sourcing" the process of getting Sugar running on all sorts of devices. There are probably a lot of developers here in Southern California (and elsewhere) who would love to get involved. The real "missing link" is someone to coordinate the project... like you maybe???).</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Certainly, any help we can get, is welcomed. Right now, we are in a difficult position,</div><div>we don't want give up with Sugar, because we think have many good features</div>
<div>for learning, not found in Android yet. From the other side, Android is available in many other devices,</div><div>and have thousand of resources. Now, if you found android developers who want work for free</div><div>
in a Android Open Source clone of Sugar, I am sure will be of interest of Sugarlabs.</div><div>And the way to work should be integrated to the SugarLabs community, where I can help them to be introduced.</div><div>If you show Sugar, and get people interested in be involved, of course you can point them to me to help</div>
<div>them to start.</div><div>In SF will be Martin Abente, a great guy from Paraguay (you meet him in the first eduJam)</div><div>he can tell you more about the SugarLabs plans. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>I would love to be able to go to various open source events and recruit people to get involved. We would just need to get it organized. I already know of several folks who would probably be interested in helping.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Because of the prevalence of Android devices (if you include phones) it seems to be a logical target. An added bonus would be that we could get Sugar on the XOTablet that way! Unfortunately, the Kindle FireHD, while an Android device, uses its own "app store" and you have to become "root" (not difficult, but it voids the warranty) if you want to add in any of the GooglePlay apps. The iPad is another very long story. It is probably a hopeless case.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div>Caryl</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Have you seen the cute FotoToon Sameer Verma's daughter, Mira made? She plans to make at least one sequel.</div><div>I'll attach a copy. She made all of the "sets" from Legos. </div>
<div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. I love that :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>
</div><div><br><div><hr>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:15:24 -0300<br>From: <a href="mailto:gonzalo@laptop.org" target="_blank">gonzalo@laptop.org</a><div class="im"><br>To: <a href="mailto:support-gang@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">support-gang@lists.laptop.org</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a href="mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">devel@lists.laptop.org</a><br></div><div><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [support-gang] What Would I Need To Learn???<br>
<br><div dir="ltr">Please read something about what SugarLabs community is doing.<div>(We really have a big disconnection between support-gang/iaep and sugarlabs development) </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://developer.sugarlabs.org/web-architecture.md.html" target="_blank">http://developer.sugarlabs.org/web-architecture.md.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>There are step by step howto, <br><div><br></div></div><div><a href="http://developer.sugarlabs.org/activity.md.html" target="_blank">http://developer.sugarlabs.org/activity.md.html</a><br></div><div>
<br></div><div>You will need a development environment,</div>
<div>there are information here about how to do it:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html" target="_blank">http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html</a><br>
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<div>Right now, "what is the minimal stuff I need to do activities"</div><div>is not so easy to reply. You will need learn a lot,</div><div>in fact, is easier create python activities than web activities,</div>
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but the second can be used in android too.</div><div><br></div><div>Gonzalo</div><div><br><br><div>On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Thanks Nick and James!<div> </div><div>I hope to still hear from others, but John Kim is local here in SoCal so I can get together with him. I was hoping he would be coming to the SF Summit, but I haven't heard from him on that yet.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'll explore these and all other ideas... but with the help of John so I won't be "re-inventing the wheel."</div><div><br></div><div>Caryl<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:james.murdza@dresden.us" target="_blank">james.murdza@dresden.us</a><br>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:44:31 -0700<br>To: <a href="mailto:support-gang@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">support-gang@lists.laptop.org</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a href="mailto:devel@lists.laptop.org" target="_blank">devel@lists.laptop.org</a>; <a href="mailto:support-gang@laptop.org" target="_blank">support-gang@laptop.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [support-gang] What Would I Need To Learn???<div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Caryl,</div><div><br></div><div>True, what you say about fundamental concepts, but the devil's in the details as they say, so the approach you take to porting will be a huge factor in the amount of work required and the quality of the resulting app. Looks like John Kim from Sugar Labs has written a <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_0pu9F2VqyUJ:www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2012/7972209?id%3D17001+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank">really good overview</a> of the possible methods of porting Sugar to Android which I think you'll enjoy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My impression from his research is that the most doable and best gradual approach (not porting the whole Sugar stack at once) is to learn an Android Python framework like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy" target="_blank">Kivy</a>. There would be no other language required, only rewriting of interface code. Much easier than learning to make Android apps from scratch in Java, and still easier than PhoneGap, which would still be a complete rewrite.</div>
<div><br><div>On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Caryl Bigenho <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caryl@laptop.org" target="_blank">caryl@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Hi Folks...<div><br></div><div>I am wondering what I would need to learn to be able to program apps for Android? Specifically, to help port Sugar Apps there. I have an excellent programming background in several "old" languages (Fortran, BASIC, and Pascal) and have played around a bit with Python (used it for a Physics MOOC I took this summer) and HTML (know some of the basic syntax and vocabulary). </div>
<div><br></div><div>It seems that the fundamental concepts of programming transcend language and if one can learn the new vocabulary and syntax rules you should be good to go. Is this a correct assumption? If so, what is the minimum I would need to learn to get started? Can you suggest some resources for this?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>Caryl</div></font></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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