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    But for this last one, I will avoid crossposting on this subject
    unless something major happens (follow the Hackaday thread for
    more,) your concern for what "teacherless" might mean was addressed
    there this morning<br>
    <br>
    "Just like with Sesame Street, The only self learning here is a
    child deciding to turn on an appliance. From there it's
    instructors(Human no AI here) doing the teaching. Just as in as in
    Sesame Street, and in bring & mortar class rooms the teachers
    are required to keep the lessons engaging to keep the kids wanting
    to attend class. Not that I'm saying this can't have value in
    helping disadvantaged persons, but it really is going to depend on
    many creative long distant teacher as much it will the kids. To hack
    the camera the kids had to know or figure out in some manner there
    was a camera available that could be made to function. Reads to me
    like that was a situation was set up so the kids could find a route
    to get the camera working. Part of the research?"<br>
    <br>
    As to reports from former research, there are blogs around, of all
    kinds, but I have found little that would offer objective data on
    *what* activity is being used how much, etc.<br>
    <br>
    There has also been research in the US, also scant data.<br>
    <br>
    My own research is worst... :-(<br>
    I should write, if I can't of success, at least about the several
    shades of failure I have met. Boy, did I...<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/01/2012 02:10 AM, Jerry wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:E58709F7-3284-4B5C-A1F0-055BF66FB379@gmail.com"
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      <div>I'm not sure why researching on kids in a foreign country is
        a good thing.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>One of the criticisms of OLPC is that it's research on other
        populations.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>And it could keep some people/ countries from adopting XOs</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>What ever happened to the Africa summer deployments?  I never
        got much information back about it.  The ClassActs book sprint
        didn't include it...</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Teacherless is interesting as self directed is pretty much
        constructionist, no? ( I'm not an education theorist, btw)<br>
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        <div>Please excuse the typing, very small keyboard...
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        On Oct 31, 2012, at 22:08, Mike Lee <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:curiouslee@gmail.com">curiouslee@gmail.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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        <div>Some other tidbits from my notes:
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>1) The Motorola Xoom WiFi laptop was passed around during
            the talk and I made some photos of the app drawer screens:</div>
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href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/sets/72157631821883809/with/8109891926/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/sets/72157631821883809/with/8109891926/</a></p>
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            <p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px
              Helvetica">2) The use of the impressive Funf framework
              from the MIT Media Lab was described where software probes
              were activated in the Android operating system to collect
              sensor and system data.</p>
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                href="http://funf.org/">http://funf.org/</a></p>
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            <p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px
              Helvetica">3) The work of Dr. Maryanne Wolf of Harvard was
              mentioned many times. I have bookmarked her comprehensive
              lecture on YouTube.</p>
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            <p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px
              Helvetica">The Science of the Reading Brain</p>
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              Helvetica"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ephYMS16Q&feature=g-crec-f">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ephYMS16Q&feature=g-crec-f</a></p>
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              Helvetica"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ySESQ5Oc4&feature=g-crec-f">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ySESQ5Oc4&feature=g-crec-f</a></p>
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            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:35 PM,
              Yama Ploskonka <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:yamaplos@gmail.com" target="_blank">yamaplos@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> From a research
                  standpoint, this decision by the Ethiopian gov is
                  great!<br>
                  Doing this in English avoids all sort of "noise" from
                  family, etc., who might "help" outside of the
                  research.<br>
                  In the back of my brain I recall someone doing some
                  research here using Klingon, for this very reason.<br>
                  <br>
                  The half-full glass is in the Ethiopian kids gaining
                  some English, which eventually will be required to do
                  as they continue their schooling. I can't see a
                  similar advantage for Klingon, though :-)
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5"><br>
                      <br>
                      <div>On 10/31/2012 08:29 PM, Caryl Bigenho wrote:<br>
                      </div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div>Hi Folks,</div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">Actually,
                              C.Scott did post the videos (it is in 2
                              parts) and the accompanying slides on his
                              blog at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://cananian.livejournal.com/67703.html"
                                target="_blank">http://cananian.livejournal.com/67703.html</a> </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">For anyone
                              who missed it, it is worth the time (60-</span><span
                              style="font-size:10pt">90 min?) to watch
                              it.</span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">As you will
                              see, it is a "pre-pilot" sort of a "proof
                              of concept" project. The children did not
                              learn to </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">read, but
                              55% did show that they were "pre-literate"
                              at the end of a year based on getting
                              12/15 </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">correct on a
                              letter recognition test. </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">One huge
                              obstacle to their learning to read is
                              that, at the request </span><span
                              style="font-size:10pt">of the Ethiopian
                              government, the </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">lessons are
                              in English. The children speak only
                              Amharic. </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">Long ago,
                              when I was taking classes for </span><span
                              style="font-size:10pt">ESL certification,
                              we were taught that children should be </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">taught to
                              read in their home language </span><span
                              style="font-size:10pt">first. The decoding
                              skills transfer if it is an alphabetic
                              language </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">and probably
                              other alphabets but  </span><span
                              style="font-size:10pt">not completely true
                              for a </span><span style="font-size:10pt">character

                              based language such as Chinese. </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">That is
                              probably why the </span><span
                              style="font-size:10pt">Chinese government
                              invented the phonetic pinyin system.</span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">Caryl</span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">BTW...
                              C.Scott and Chris describe the theory and
                              methods behind the project and data. It is
                              a very well</span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt">designed
                              study that meets all of the requirements
                              for good academic research. </span></div>
                          <div><span style="font-size:10pt"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                            <div>
                              <hr>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com"
                                target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a><br>
                              To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cjb@laptop.org"
                                target="_blank">cjb@laptop.org</a>; <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:curiouslee@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">curiouslee@gmail.com</a><br>
                              Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:04:15 -0700<br>
                              CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"
                                target="_blank">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>;
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:yamaplos@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">yamaplos@gmail.com</a><br>
                              Subject: Re: [IAEP] OLPC tablets and Nell
                              in the wild?<br>
                              <br>
                              <div dir="ltr"> Here! Here! Cheers for
                                Chris Ball and C. Scott Ananian (a
                                brand-new Daddy) who were our "house
                                mates" at Casa Sarandi in Montevideo. 
                                <div>Two great guys and supporters of
                                  Sugar Labs and OLPC in every way.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Caryl<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div>> From: <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:cjb@laptop.org"
                                      target="_blank">cjb@laptop.org</a><br>
                                    > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:curiouslee@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">curiouslee@gmail.com</a><br>
                                    > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:41:32
                                    -0400<br>
                                    > CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>;
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:yamaplos@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">yamaplos@gmail.com</a><br>
                                    > Subject: Re: [IAEP] OLPC
                                    tablets and Nell in the wild?<br>
                                    > <br>
                                    > Hi,<br>
                                    > <br>
                                    > On Wed, Oct 31 2012, Mike Lee
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    > > That experiment did not
                                    involve anyone from Sugar Labs or
                                    the<br>
                                    > > community. The article is
                                    based on an education panel at
                                    EmTech 2012<br>
                                    > > that, for some reason, has
                                    not been posted as video yet. Check<br>
                                    > > here: <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www2.technologyreview.com/emtech/12/"
                                      target="_blank">http://www2.technologyreview.com/emtech/12/</a><br>
                                    > > <br>
                                    > > But Matt Keller and the
                                    OLPC Association team who ran the
                                    project went<br>
                                    > > into great detail in their
                                    talks at the OLPC SF Summit over a
                                    week<br>
                                    > > ago. The Livestream on the
                                    subject has been archived and is
                                    viewable<br>
                                    > > at the these links:<br>
                                    > <br>
                                    > A minor point: I consider
                                    myself part of the Sugar Labs
                                    community<br>
                                    > and expect that C. Scott does
                                    also; maybe others from the team
                                    too.<br>
                                    > <br>
                                    > - Chris.<br>
                                    > -- <br>
                                    > Chris Ball <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:cjb@laptop.org"
                                      target="_blank"><cjb@laptop.org></a>
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://printf.net/"
                                      target="_blank"><http://printf.net/></a><br>
                                    > One Laptop Per Child<br>
                                    >
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