(+1 Idea)<br><b><br>== English (Spanish bellow) ==</b><br><br>Hello all!<br><br>Thank you Walter for promoting the dialog among the community. <br> <br>Back on January, I thought the structure and economic
model of a cooperative, would make sense for the local lab in Perú to be
able to articulate the contributions of local contributors and volunteers
of Sugar and Sugar's Deployment.<br>
<br>Unfortunately, the idea didn't evolve any further as after
consulting with local advisors, it seemed like Perú is not ready yet (in
terms of legislation) for the cooperative model.<br><br>I believe it is worth to <b>include the cooperative model in the options</b> that are being drafted by the community regarding the incorporation of a new (international) org. <br>
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<div style="color:rgb(51,51,153)">"Co-operatives
are a reminder to the international community that it is possible to
pursue both economic viability and social responsibility." <br>
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Warm regards,<br><br>laura v.<br>I&D somosAZUCAR.Org<br><br><b>== Español (Inglés arriba) ==<br></b><br>Hola a todos!<br><br>Gracias Walter por promover el diálogo en la comunidad. <br><br>En Enero pensaba que la estructura y el modelo económico de una cooperativa, permitiría al laboratorio local en Perú articular las contribuciones de los contribuyentes y voluntarios locales de Sugar y del despliegue de Sugar.<br>
<br>Desafortunadamente la idea no trascendió, pués tras consultar con abogados locales, se evidenció que tal vez Perú aún no contaba con legislación suficiente para soportar el modelo cooperativo.<br><br>Considero que<b> vale la pena incluir el modelo cooperativo en las opciones que están siendo delineadas</b> por la comunidad con respecto a la incorporación de una nueva (e internacional) organización.<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(51,51,153)">"Las Cooperativas son un recordatorio para la comunidad internacional de que es posible conseguir la viabilidad económica y la responsabilidad social al mismo tiempo." <br>
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Saludo fraterno,<br><br>laura v.<br>I&D somosAZUCAR.Org<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/23 Martin Langhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.langhoff@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.langhoff@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Caryl Bigenho <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> It has been 7 months since the "Bumblebee" brainstorming group had its<br>
> discussion in San Francisco. I'm not sure what we thought would work for us,<br>
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</div>My recommendation is to let each group do their own thing. It's their<br>
name, their reputation on the line.<br>
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If the original SF Bumblebees run a successful deployment in X, an<br>
unrelated group in New Zealand has no business using the Bumblebee<br>
name (potentially asking for money or goods). They should use their<br>
own name -- build their own reputation.<br>
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There are some specific cases where the _services_ of a non-profic org<br>
are extremely useful. Software for the Public Interest (SPI) comes to<br>
mind -- it helps administer money from various conferences and events<br>
related to FOSS projects.<br>
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You'll note that Debian conference organizers ("debconf") make use of<br>
SPI's services, and that saves them a ton of time. Each year debconf<br>
happens in a different country, and is managed by a different group.<br>
Setting up a non-profit in a different country every year is madness.<br>
SPI's help is used every year by a different group.<br>
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But SPI is not an umbrella of any kind, and nobody operates in their<br>
name (except the few people actually part of SPI). In a case I am<br>
familiar with, the "Debconf Helsinki" team used SPI's bank accounts<br>
and legal entity to handle receipt of donations, payment of bills,<br>
importation of gear into Europe, sponsorship of visa applications...<br>
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These "service" non-profits are very useful (they require a lot of<br>
work too!). OTOH, I am extremely wary of any "umbrella name" or<br>
"umbrella organization", and I believe you should be too.<br>
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I've sat through plenty of talks and presentations where people were<br>
asking for material help (money, equipment, services) based on the<br>
good work of someone else entirely. Makes my blood boil and, besides<br>
my personal ethics, it does not lead to good outcomes.<br>
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cheers,<br>
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m<br>
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