<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> Hi...<div><br><div>RE the Khan Academy programming video... I have tried some of them in parallel with hands-on, and while they do teach some concepts well, they aren't particularly exciting. Perhaps that is why I stopped working on them. I really believe that the Khan Academy videos, and other video instructional videos, work best in the "flip your class" type situation. Watch the video first, individually as an introduction to a topic. Repeat and "rewind" as much as you need to feel comfortable with the subject matter. Then follow up in a "class" situation where there are other learners (and perhaps a "teacher" or mentor) to help you practice the skill or process you have been practicing. This could just be with a friend, in a club or a group of other interested learners. It might even work well with one of Sugata Mitra's "Granny" clouds. Hummm.... I wonder.... anyone want to be this Grannie''s Granny?</div><div><br></div><div>Caryl (aka sweetxogrannie or GrannieB)</div><div><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 01:18:47 -0500<br>From: sthomas1@gosargon.com<br>To: lenglish5@cox.net<br>CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; squeakland@squeakland.org<br>Subject: Re: [IAEP] [squeakland] What makes examples good for novices? and How do we tell if an example is good for novices?<br><br>Lawson,<div><br></div><div><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Lawson English <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lenglish5@cox.net">lenglish5@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div> I can't give you any stats other than positive feedback I have gotten, but the Salman Khan style of video teaching seems to work well for programming as well as for math.<br></div></blockquote><div>I generally like the Salman Khan video's and think they have their place (flame away folks :). The ability to watch at my your pace and on your own time is a big plus and my kids use them sometimes when they are struggling with a concept. While it is preferable to struggle with the concepts ourselves, who has the time (or the ability) to re-construct all that knowledge. So, I think there is a role for a "good explanation." Of course, it would be nice if he had more "Sugar" like artifacts to play and learn with.</div> <div><br></div><div>That said I really didn't like his Programming videos. Programming, I believe, is much better if taught with lots of hands on opportunities and problems. Videos could be used after the learner has a chance to work on a problem. Perhaps to show different ways to solve a problem and/or Providing a Guided Tour through "good literature" (well written code) and perhaps bad as well or something like Java Puzzlers, to let kids learn where the pitfalls are and get a better understanding of how things work.</div> <div><br></div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> <br> My video series, Squeak from the very start, is a very conscious effort to duplicate his style:<br> <br> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6601A198DF14788D&feature=view_all" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6601A198DF14788D&feature=view_all</a><br> <br> Friends characterize my video style as being like a mentor in a pair-programming session.</div></blockquote><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><br></div>I like the idea of kids pair-programming although I would think you would need to set some ground rules like (the "advanced" kid can't touch the keyboard).</div> <div class="ecxgmail_quote"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><div>FYI, I like your videos and have used them for myself.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Stephen</div><div> </div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><div><div class="h5"> <br> On 2/2/12 5:56 PM, Steve Thomas wrote: </div></div><blockquote><div><div class="h5">So I am taking a P2PU course On <a href="http://p2pu.org/en/groups/how-to-teach-webcraft-and-programming-to-free-range-students/" target="_blank">How to Teach Web Programmin to Free Range Learners</a> and a couple of questions came up:<br> <br> So I pose them to the community:<br> <ol> <li>What makes examples good for novices?</li> <li>How do we tell if an example is good for novices?</li> </ol> Also where can I find a good set of examples for learning programming?<br> <BR> It would be nice to have a curated set of "Great literature".<BR> Pointers to any research on the topic would be appreciated.<br> <BR> Stephen<br> <BR> <br> <fieldset></fieldset> <br> </div></div><pre>_______________________________________________ squeakland mailing list <a href="mailto:squeakland@squeakland.org">squeakland@squeakland.org</a> <a href="http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland" target="_blank">http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> squeakland mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:squeakland@squeakland.org">squeakland@squeakland.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland" target="_blank">http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> <br>_______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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