<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#ff1314">Texto en Español sigue al texto en Inglés</font></b></span></div><div><br></div>Walter,<div><br></div><div>I´m afraid I was not clear.</div><div><br></div><div>The reason I brought up the "Circle-the-Cat" game</div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html">http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html</a></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div>was not to discuss its value as an educational program.</div><div><br></div><div>You know well I am not a teacher; as my signature block says, I am a volunteer. I believe no one should discuss and thus confuse others, subjects outside their field of expertise.</div><div><br></div><div>I mentioned this game only to show it is possible to write applications like this one. I understand they reside in the server we contact to use them.</div><div><br></div><div>All you need to do is to clic on the link I sent and you will be ready to use the application.</div><div><br></div><div>It doesn´t matter which computer and operating system you use, you clic and play, same as I am glad we both did.</div><div><br></div><div>My question, which you didn´t answer, was if this could be an alternative to use instead of Sugar, or maybe a means for delivering the applications already developed under Sugar.</div><div><br></div><div>Please understand I am not trying to put you on the spot; just bear in mind our positions are not the same.</div><div><br></div><div>I understand you are responsible for the development of Sugar. If you prefer not to answer my question I will perfectly understand you.</div><div><br></div><div>As all volunteers in Uruguay, I am responsible to continuously investigate the best ways to promote education in our country, by helping children and teachers and by taking the most advantage from the investment in time, money and effort involved in launching and maintaining Plan Ceibal. The personal goal of many of us is trying to find out how to accelerate the progress of this important and ambitious plan.</div><div><br></div><div>Our priorities are probably not the same either. I imagine your first priority is to serve the Sugar Community. My first priority is to serve Plan Ceibal and, through it, the children, teachers and all uruguayans who benefit from it.</div><div><br></div><div>So it should be no shame for either of us if we do not agree on every point we discuss. You don´t have to justify yourself for not thinking of alternatives to replace Sugar.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your help.</div><div><br></div><div>
<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div>Carlos Rabassa</div><div>Volunteer</div><div>Plan Ceibal Support Network</div><div>Montevideo, Uruguay</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Arial; color: rgb(21, 79, 174); "><span style="text-decoration: underline; "><a href="http://www.tiny.cc/AprendoILearn">www.tiny.cc/AprendoILearn</a></span></div></div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#ff1314">Texto en Español</font></b></span></div><div><br></div>Walter,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me temo que no fui claro.</div><div><br></div><div>El motivo por el cual traje a colación el juego "Encerrar al Gato"</div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html">http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html</a></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div>no fue para discutir su valor como programa educativo.</div><div><br></div><div>Sabes bien que no soy maestro; como lo dice mi bloque de firma, soy un voluntario. Pienso que nadie debe discutir y así confundir a otros, temas fuera de su campo de idoneidad.</div><div><br></div><div>Mencione este juego únicamente para mostrar que es posible escribir aplicaciones como esta, que entiendo residen en el servidor que contactamos para usarlas.</div><div><br></div><div>Todo lo que necesitas hacer es clic sobre el enlace que envié y estarás listo para usar la aplicación.</div><div><br></div><div>No importa qué computadora y sistema operativo tengas, haces clic y juegas, tal como me alegra ambos hicimos.</div><div><br></div><div>Mi pregunta, que no has contestado, era si esto podría ser una alternativa para usar en vez de Sugar o, tal vez un medio para hacer llegar a los usuarios las aplicaciones que ya se desarrollaron bajo Sugar.</div><div><br></div><div>Por favor, entiende que no estoy tratando de ponerte en una situación difícil; simplemente considera que no estamos ambos en la misma posición.</div><div><br></div><div>Entiendo que eres responsable por el desarrollo de Sugar. Si prefieres no contestar mi pregunta, lo entenderé perfectamente.</div><div><br></div><div>Como todos los voluntarios en Uruguay, soy responsable de investigar constantemente los mejores medios para promover la educación en nuestro país, ayudando a niños y maestros y tomando la mayor ventaja posible de la inversión en tiempo, dinero y esfuerzo que significa el lanzamiento y mantenimiento del Plan Ceibal. La meta personal de muchos de nosotros es tratar de descubrir cómo acelerar el progreso de este importante y ambicioso plan.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Nuestras prioridades tampoco son las mismas. Tu primera prioridad Imagino es servir a la Comunidad Sugar. Mi primera prioridad es servir al Plan Ceibal y a través de él a los niños y maestros y a todos los uruguayos que se benefician del mismo.</div><div><br></div></div><div>Por lo tanto no debemos avergonzarnos si no estamos de acuerdo en todos los puntos que discutimos. No necesitas justificarte por no pensar en alternativas para remplazar a Sugar.</div><div><br></div><div>Gracias por tu ayuda.</div><div><br></div><div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div>Carlos Rabassa</div><div>Voluntario</div><div>Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal</div><div>Montevideo, Uruguay</div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Arial; color: rgb(21, 79, 174); "><span style="text-decoration: underline; "><a href="http://www.tiny.cc/AprendoILearn">www.tiny.cc/AprendoILearn</a></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
<br><div><div>On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Walter Bender wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">2011/11/29 Carlos Rabassa <<a href="mailto:carnen@mac.com">carnen@mac.com</a>>:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Texto en Español sigue al texto en Inglés<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">While trying to improve my reflexes and mouse control, playing this game<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html">http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A fun game.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a question I heard from so many teachers over the past three years, came<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">back to my mind once again:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Why couldn´t all educational applications be as simple to use as this one?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">At least part of the problem is that some ideas are complex. That<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">doesn't mean that the tools need to be needlessly complex, but<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sometimes too simple is a problem as well. Let's take Circle the Cat<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">as an example. It would, IMHO, be a much richer learning experience if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">you could design your own rules for the cat. (I will include this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">feature when I make the Sugar version.) But that will lead to more<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">complexity, undoubtedly.<br></blockquote><br>I made a rough pass at an activity (used a turtle instead of a cat):<br><br><a href="http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/downloads/file/27763/turtle_in_a_pond-1.xo">http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/downloads/file/27763/turtle_in_a_pond-1.xo</a><br><br>The graphics need some work and I need to make it a but more obvious<br>how to customize the strategy, but you can write your own strategy for<br>the "turtle".<br><br>enjoy.<br><br>-walter<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-waltetr<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I didn´t have to buy it or install it. I didn´t have to select among<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">several versions to choose the one suitable for my computer.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I was never able to answer this question. Perhaps someone among you could<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">explain us what´s wrong with our reasoning.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I´m sure something is wrong. Otherwise all applications would be as easy to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">use as this one.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Please bear in mind I am writing from Uruguay where a very large number of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">schools have their own server connected to internet. Also there is a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">program well under way to make sure every school child can connect to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">internet either from home or from a 3-block radius from home.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Not being an expert, I imagine programs like this one of the cat reside on<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the server to which we connect to play.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This could open the competition to write applications to every programmer in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the world who has the required knowledge.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Teachers with ideas for good educational applications could write them<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">themselves or find a programmer willing to do it. The teacher could select<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the programmer without restricting the choice to those willing to work as<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">unpaid volunteers under the rules of SugarLabs.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This way, educators, the only experts in education, would be the judges<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of which applications have educational value.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Texto en Español<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mientras trataba de mejorar mis reflejos y control del ratón, jugando este<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">juego<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">volvió a mi mente una vez más, una pregunta que muchos maestros me hicieron<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">durante los últimos tres años:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">¿Por qué todas las aplicaciones educacionales no pueden ser tan sencillas de<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">usar como esta?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">No tuve que comprarla o instalarla. No tuve que elegir entre varias<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">versiones una adecuada a mi computadora.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nunca pude contestar esta pregunta. Tal vez alguno de ustedes pueda<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">explicarme la falla de mi razonamiento.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Estoy seguro algo está equivocado. De lo contrario todas las aplicaciones<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">serían tan fáciles de usar como esta.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Por favor tengan en cuenta que estoy escribiendo desde Uruguay, donde un<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">gran número de escuelas tienen su propio servidor conectado a internet.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> También hay un programa ya en etapa avanzada de implementación, para<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">asegurar que todos los niños pueden conectarse a internet, sea desde sus<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">casas o desde lugares a no más de tres cuadras de las mismas.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">No siendo un experto, imagino que los programas como este del gato,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> residen en el servidor al cual nos conectamos para jugar.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Esto podría abrir la competencia para escribir aplicaciones a cualquier<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">programador en el mundo, que tenga los conocimientos necesarios.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Los maestros con ideas para buenas aplicaciones educacionales, podrían<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">escribirlas ellos mismos o encontrar un programador dispuesto a hacerlo. El<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">maestro podría seleccionar al programador sin restringir la búsqueda a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">aquellos dispuestos a trabajar como voluntarios sin paga bajo las reglas de<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">SugarLabs.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">En esta forma, los educadores, los únicos expertos en educación, serían<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">los jueces para decidir que aplicaciones tienen valor educativo.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Carlos Rabassa<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Volunteer<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Plan Ceibal Support Network<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Montevideo, Uruguay<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">www.tiny.cc/AprendoILearn<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Lista olpc-Sur<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">olpc-Sur@lists.laptop.org<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Walter Bender<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sugar Labs<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://www.sugarlabs.org<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br><br>-- <br>Walter Bender<br>Sugar Labs<br>http://www.sugarlabs.org<br>_______________________________________________<br>IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br>IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org<br>http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>