<div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/30 Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Sebastian Silva <<a href="mailto:sebastian@somosazucar.org">sebastian@somosazucar.org</a>> wrote: > Hi Walter > Thanks for sharing your concerns. > I'm cc'ing IAEP as there is no reason for confidentiality. </div>I have been responding to the threads you guys started... hadn't noticed that they had not been inclusive. Glad to see that now they are. <div class="im"> > > I hope I can convince you of the importance of supporting > the Local Lab in the articulation of an effort to involve the > wider society in the selection of software and content their > children get with their machines. </div>I need no convincing of that. <div class="im"> > > We have heard about lots of machine downtime related to the > activation / "security" system. Peru is in an offline context: > "activation lease" is distributed on USB keys for an entire year, > instead of the week they were designed to. This means in the > beginning of the year your computer does not work until > some USB key arrives to the most remote locations of Peru. </div>Not sure what you mean by "designed to". As far as the leasing system, it is up to the deployment to make these decisions. I applaud your efforts to improve upon the situation, but I think it is outside of the context of Sugar Labs itself. <div class="im"> > > In these conditions the "security" system has basically become > DRM at the service of Education Ministries. For this reason our > group is going to recommend the disabling of the security system. </div>I don't particularly agree with that characterization, but again, I am in personally favor of advocating the unlocking of machines where it is safe to do so. <div class="im"> > > We believe each Local Lab should be in the technical > conditions to provide services to their deployments and find > sustainibility in this - so this is the ultimate strategic objective of > the event. </div>I also applaud that goal, although I don't yet understand your strategy for achieving it. <div class="im"> > > We will be holding a panel on the second day of the Sugar Camp > Lima 2011: > "10 recomendaciones para el proyecto Una Laptop Por Niño", > to which you are heartfully invited to participate. </div>Recommendations are of course always welcome. I don't know what your 10 are, but I am sure many of us in the community have some to contribute. <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > > I hope the information contained here and in the following > answers are enough for SLOBs to take a vote on the two > tickets requested. > > Thanks, > Sebastian > PS: my answers below > > 2011/10/29, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>>: >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Sebastian Silva >> <<a href="mailto:sebastian@somosazucar.org">sebastian@somosazucar.org</a>> wrote: >>> SLOBs, >>> Laura sent this email to SLOBs but it seems to not have passed moderation! >>> Maybe this will help clear out any doubts about our objectives and our >>> level of commitment. >>> >>> Walter, do not hesitate to direct any concerns to our public list or >>> the organization comittee at <a href="mailto:malla@somosazucar.org">malla@somosazucar.org</a>. Also detailed >>> information can be found at this working site: >>> <a href="https://sites.google.com/a/somosazucar.org/sucarcamplima2011/" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/a/somosazucar.org/sucarcamplima2011/</a> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sebastian >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Laura Vargas <<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>> >>> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:50:53 -0500 >>> Subject: SugarCamp Lima 2011 tickets request >>> To: <a href="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org">slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>> Cc: <a href="mailto:juancamilo@somosazucar.org">juancamilo@somosazucar.org</a>, Sebastian Silva >>> <<a href="mailto:sebastian@somosazucar.org">sebastian@somosazucar.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:koke@somosazucar.org">koke@somosazucar.org</a>, kikomayorga >>> <<a href="mailto:kiko@escuelab.org">kiko@escuelab.org</a>> >>> >>> >>> Hello dear SLOBs, >>> >>> Here in Perú, we are at full speed preparing Sugar Camp >>> Lima 2011. The deployment is on a very interesting turning >>> point: >>> - There is a new administration (yei!) >>> - There are over 500,000 locked machines on field O.O >>> - Less than 2% has connectivity.. >> >> Is this accurate? From what I have heard, this number is off by an >> order of magnitude. Could you please check? In any case, what can >> Sugar Labs do to help improve the situation? > > Yes this is accurate. > The latest IADB study of July 2010 reads exactly 1.4%: > <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4x9bcrw" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4x9bcrw</a> </div></div>I'll have to ask BID and MEC to reconcile their numbers. In any case, I am not sure what Sugar Labs can do about this. <div class="im"> </div></blockquote><div>I totally agree, numbers are the most important part of this constructive discussion. The IADB study is just a representative sample of the Total Deployment. Lack of accuracy is a strong weakness that needs to addressed by the Deployment Locally. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"> > >> >>> - The image they are using today is not updated nor adapted >>> (ex. loss of WiFi on suspend, English language by default). >>> - It is also incompatible with newer Activities, because of lack >>> of support for new toolbars (Sugar 0.84 or even 0.82). >> >> As I understand it, they have a new image in the works. Is the plan to >> work with them on improving it or to replace it with something else? >> If the latter, what is the rationale? > > Our plan is always to try to be helpful. > For this project the plan is to produce an image officially supported > by somosAZUCAR - Sugar Labs Peru. We are always open to collaborate > with them on improving their 2013 release. </div>Good to hear you will help with the 2013 release. <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > >>> - We, as a local lab, are looking forward to create a *sustainable >>> model* by formalizing our relationship with authorities in charge of >>> the deployment. >> >> Could you please elaborate a bit on what that means? > > I'll leave that to Laura. :o) </div></div></blockquote><div> Our goal is to engage in Service Level Agreements, with regional deployments. Consider us as a start-up with good intentions! We hope we can count with your support and your wisdom here at SugarCamp Lima 2011. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class="h5"> > >>> >>> SugarCamp Lima 2011 will showcase the best our community has to >>> offer both in software as in content customization. By collaboratively >>> producing an *updated image of sugar*, sugar camp Lima 2011, >>> promises to become a memorable experience for all of us. >> >> I appreciate wanting to bring in great people, but I don't understand >> what you mean when you refer to creating an updated image of sugar. >> > She means an updated operating system image with an updated version > of Sugar. > > From another thread: >>> We are preparing an image for a region of Peru, Puno. This image will >>> feature updated software, translations to Quechua and Aymara (Puno is >>> the stronghold of ancient Andean culture) as well as content specific >>> for their context (e.g. "Map My Lake Activity" in development for >>> measuring and monitoring water quality levels around Lake Titicaca). >>> So this is more than just internationalization. >>> >>> From the technical side I can add that: >>> We will be using Sugar 0.94 both on XO1 and regular computers >>> (Dextrose 3 for one, Trisquel for the others). By doing this we expect >>> to build on the integration work already done by others and contribute >>> to both projects. > > Our focus will be on providing the users the best possible experience for > their context and culture, in a stable release. > </div></div>There is much work to do to make a "stable' release beyond integration. I wonder if it is efficient to have 3+ different integration efforts going on concurrently. But I suppose you have a rationale. <div class="im"> >>> >>> There is a lot of enthusiasm among local and global community members! >> >> Great. >> >>> >>> Technical team have requested the tickets of Aleksey [alsroot] who will >>> help with the integration work and Ruben Rodriguez [quidam] who is the >>> Trisquel project leader. >> >> Integration of what? > > Integration of translations, of sugar versions/patches, content. > I will be preparing a "continuous integration" environment for the marathon. > Translator Team will be able to test drive their translations. Content Team > will be able to test user experience and content selection. We have > coordinators for each of those tasks. > >> >>> >>> Any suggestion and/or additional support is welcome. >> >> My suggestion is a bit more clarity of the goals. </div>and to work upstream!!! <div><div></div><div class="h5"> >> >> regards. >> >> -walter >> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> laura >>> >>> cc local lab perú >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sebastian Silva >>> <a href="http://somosazucar.org/" target="_blank">http://somosazucar.org/</a> >>> "Te imaginas si te pudieran enseñar sólo a leer pero no a escribir??" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> >> > > > 2011/10/29, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>>: >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Sebastian Silva >> <<a href="mailto:sebastian@somosazucar.org">sebastian@somosazucar.org</a>> wrote: >>> I've answered separately forwarding an email by Laura Vargas with our >>> strategic perspective and rationale for objectives. Also a link to a >>> detailed agenda of the event. >>> >>> We are preparing an image for a region of Peru, Puno. This image will >>> feature updated software, translations to Quechua and Aymara (Puno is >>> the stronghold of ancient Andean culture) as well as content specific >>> for their context (e.g. "Map My Lake Activity" in development for >>> measuring and monitoring water quality levels around Lake Titicaca). >>> So this is more than just internationalization. >>> >>> From the technical side I can add that: >>> We will be using Sugar 0.94 both on XO1 and regular computers >>> (Dextrose 3 for one, Trisquel for the others). By doing this we expect >>> to build on the integration work already done by others and contribute >>> to both projects. >> >> This makes it more clear at least why you want Reuben and Aleksey to >> come to Peru. >> >>> > </div></div>Best of luck. -walter <div><div></div><div class="h5"> -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> </div></div></blockquote></div>