<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> >Nicholas Doiron wrote: >Plan Ceibal is becoming more and more open to different platforms, including (less innovative) Intel Classmates and Kindles. -------------------------------------------------------------- That is another big issue here in Uruguay: Plan Ceibal is not married with Sugar. If the teachers find Sugar "too different..." it doesn't matter if Sugar is the best of the world.... You can not go against the teachers. Like Nicholas said, You can argue that Sugar is the best of the best of the best, but if the users says another thing, you can not simply say "the people are wrong", even if they are wrong. In Uruguay In the department of Canelones (500,000 inhabitants) the Plan Ceibal is giving <a href="http://rapceibal.ning.com/forum/topics/laptops-para-educacion-media?xg_source=activity">ClassMAtes II</a> (called "Magalhães MG2", made in Portugal) to the children of the normal High schools and technical high-schools, And they are giving <a href="http://www.olidata.cl/index.php/netbook_web/show/id/10">Olidata JUmPC</a> to all the teachers in primary school. They changed the XO-1 by the Olidata, but only for the teachers. The classmates comes with Linux Metasys, with no Sugar. And the Olidata COmes with a SoaS Version of Sugar. ------------------- My Point is that Sugar HAS to approach the needs of the people, even if those needs are "wrong", or silly. It's difficult to change the mind of the humans, if you change a little at a time, you can make a big change. But If I pretend a big change in a few years.. maybe the rope could breaks. ---------------------------- An Example: Suppose that the the "journal" is the best: Ok, I Agree, but I can not impose to the people that system in sow few years of change. Maybe I have to put the Journal, but something else that is similar to the other "wrong system" (the folders, for example), so the people accept the Journal. And maybe in a few Years you can eliminate those "wrong systems" Paolo Benini Montevideo <hr size="2" width="100%"> >Nicholas Doiron wrote: > > Caryl, Mikus et al: > > These attitudes toward Sugar should not surprise us, especially anyone who has worked with XOs in Uruguay or the USA. When teachers find Linux programs such as TuxPaint, they cannot interact with the Journal and cannot save at all on Uruguay's unrooted Sugar. This was one thing we heard loud and clear from Flor de Ceibo and other volunteers. > > Plan Ceibal is becoming more and more open to different platforms, including (less innovative) Intel Classmates and Kindles. For Sugar and OLPC to continue our education ideals and open technology in South America, we need to meet 'realness' needs, too. When the majority of classes are using the Browse activity (did we hear something like 70-80% ? ) it sounds like it would be wise to discuss ChromeOS and browser-based applications, possibly using a modern browser such a Webkit. > > The more we identify Sugar as an entirely different way of schooling and technology, the harder it gets to incorporate it in conventional schools, using the programs that teachers want to use. If your response is, "but teachers don't understand real education!!! " then stop making Sugar for schools and give it to likeminded parents. > > > Regards, > > Nick Doiron </body> </html>