<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF1314"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">English version after Spanish text</span></font></font></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Un docente de Informática de Educación Secundaria de Uruguay sigue estos foros y nos hizo llegar este comentario para compartir con ustedes:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div>>> No soy de escribir en estos espacios pero en este caso se me ocurrió compartir una idea al leer lo de los aplausos.</div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><div>Es una costumbre muy generalizada (creo que en varios países, no solo en Uruguay) que cuando un/a niño/a se pierde en un lugar público (ya sea en un shopping, playa, plaza o similares) las personas presentes comienzan a aplaudir para propagar la necesidad de encuentro del niño.</div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><div>Lo comparto como una pequeña idea más de estudio. <<</div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div>No conocíamos el sistema pero la primera persona a la que pregunté, me dijo que sí que lo había visto usar en una playa.</div><div><br></div><div>Tal vez en el modelo haya que comenzar con varias personas enteradas del problema que comiencen a aplaudir juntos.</div><div><br></div><div>Luego, en la playa, imagino que para oír esos aplausos hay que estar cerca.</div><div><br></div><div>También imagino que habrá considerable demora entre escuchar el aplauso y ponerse a aplaudir.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos Rabassa</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF1314"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px; ">English version</span></font></font></div></blockquote><br></div><div>A High School Computer Science Professor from Uruguay, who follows these forums, sent us this message to share with you all:</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>>> I do not post message in these media but in this case I thought of sharing an idea when I read about applauses.</div><div><br></div><div>There is a quite wide spread custom (I believe spanning several countries, not only Uruguay):</div><div><br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>When a child gets lost in a public place such as a shopping center, beach, park or similar places, people start applauding to propagate the need of finding the child.</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><br></div><div>May I share this as one more small idea to study. <<</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We didn't know about this practice but the first person we asked said she had seen it used at the beach.</div><div><br></div><div>For the Etoys model we probably have to start with several persons, together in a small area, already applauding.</div><div><br></div><div>I imagine that in a beach, to hear these applause, we have to be close to those applauding.</div><div><br></div><div>I also imagine there is a considerable delay between hearing the applause and start applauding.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos Rabassa</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><br> <br><div><div>On Feb 6, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Carlos Rabassa wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF1314"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">English version after spanish text</span></font></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Pensamos que con el objeto "Partículas" de Etoys, podríamos visualizar la propagación de aplausos en actos con público como discursos y obras teatrales. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Sería buenísimo si alguien hace un proyecto ilustrativo.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Tradicionalmente, cuando el presidente de EEUU presentaba su informe anual verbal, televisado desde el Congreso, resultaba muy notable ver a sus partidarios, sentados todos juntos en una mitad de la cámara, levantarse a aplaudir de pié con mucha energía, mientras los adversarios permanecían serios y quietos en sus asientos en el lado opuesto de la cámara.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Visto desde la televisión, este fenómeno causaba mal efecto.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Generó muchas críticas a congresistas de todos los partidos.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Se decía que apoyan sin pensar lo que dice su partido.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Se decía que se oponen, también sin pensar, a todo lo que proponen los de la oposición.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Para el discurso más reciente, en Enero de 2011, decidieron sentarse en forma alternada.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Cada congresista estaba sentado entre dos miembros que no pertenecían a su mismo partido político.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">Copio la descripción aparecida en un diario de lo que vimos esta vez:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">>> … Cuando el Sr. Obama decía algo que normalmente habría llevado a sus partidarios [Demócratas] a una ovación de pié, algunos lo hicieron, otros se aguantaron y sus adversarios [Republicanos] algunas veces seguían al líder </span></font><span style="font: 19.0px Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 18px;">[de los aplausos].</span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; min-height: 21px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">Los legisladores reunidos, parecían tener menor inclinación a unirse a la corriente sostenida de fuertes aplausos que habían caracterizado discursos anteriores en la cámara. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; min-height: 21px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">Esto ayudó a agilizar el informe del Sr. Obama (aunque aún así duró más de una hora).</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; min-height: 21px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">Los aplausos desorganizados también crearon cierta asimetría a través de la cámara, con congresistas que se paraban repentinamente independientemente de sus vecinos de asiento silenciosos. <<</div></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">El artículo completo está en:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us</a></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF1314">English version<br></font><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>We think we might visualize the propagation of applause in public events such as speeches or theater shows, using the "Particles" object of Etoys. </div><div><br></div><div>It would be really nice if someone can create a project illustrating this phenomenon.</div><div><br></div><div>Traditionally, when the U.S. President gave his State of the Union address, televised from Congress, it was very noticeable how his supporters, sitting all-together in one side of the chamber, raised to applaud in energetic standing ovations, while his adversaries remained serious and quiet on their seats, on the opposite side of the chamber.</div><div><br></div><div>Viewing this phenomenon caused a bad impression on TV viewers.</div><div><br></div><div>Congress members from all parties were frequently criticized.</div><div><br></div><div>Critics said congress members support the opinion of their parties without thinking.</div><div><br></div><div>They also said they oppose all proposals supported by the party of their adversaries.</div><div><br></div><div>For the most recent speech, January 2011, they decided to take alternate seats.</div><div><br></div><div>Each member of congress was seating between two members who didn´t belong to his party.</div><div><br></div><div>I transcribe the description of what was seen this time, from a newspaper article:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><div>>> ... When Mr. Obama would say something that normally would have spurred Democrats to stand, some did, others refrained, and Republicans sometimes followed their lead.</div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; min-height: 21px; "><br></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">The assembled lawmakers seemed less inclined to join in the usual stream of sustained, loud clapping that have marked past addresses given in the chamber. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">While that helped to speed Mr. Obama’s remarks along (still, they ran more than an hour), the unorganized applause also created some asymmetry throughout the chamber, with members popping up separately from their silent seatmates. ...<<</div></div></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; ">The complete article is at:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; font-size: medium; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; font-size: medium; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 18px/normal Arial; "><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us</a></div></div></div><br> <br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Carlos Rabassa</div><div>Voluntario</div><div>Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal</div><div>Montevideo, Uruguay</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br></div>_______________________________________________<br>Lista olpc-Sur<br><a href="mailto:olpc-Sur@lists.laptop.org">olpc-Sur@lists.laptop.org</a><br>http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>