What about the world wide web? That is usually credited to have been invented in 1990 at CERN. Of course we all stand on the shoulders who have gone before us. Martin sevior ----- Reply message ----- From: "Alan Kay" <alan.nemo@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2011 6:11 am Subject: [IAEP] [squeakland] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric To: "Chunka Mui" <chunka@cornerloft.com> Cc: "voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes" <olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org>, "squeakland.org mailing list" <squeakland@squeakland.org>, "america-latina@squeakland.org" <america-latina@squeakland.org>, "Carlos Rabassa" <carnen@mac.com>, "Maho 2010" <maho@realness.org>, "olpc bolivia" <olpc-bolivia@lists.laptop.org>, "IAEP SugarLabs" <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>, "OLPC Puno" <olpcpuno@gmail.com> Hi Chunka, I've been challenged on this point more than once, and have challenged back to come up with one invention that was done after 1980 that matches up to the top 10 done before 1980. This has not happened. I've been able to show the prior art for all suggestions. Essentially everything in the last 30 years has been commercializations and other forms of "innovation" based on what was funded by ARPA, ONR, and by extension, Xerox in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The important point here is that there are many new inventions needed, and they can be identified, but no one has been willing to fund them. It's not that the early birds got the worms, but that most of the needed worms out there are being missed. Cheers, Alan ________________________________ From: Chunka Mui <chunka@cornerloft.com> To: Alan Kay <alan.nemo@yahoo.com> Cc: Carlos Rabassa <carnen@mac.com>; "america-latina@squeakland.org" <america-latina@squeakland.org>; squeakland.org mailing list <squeakland@squeakland.org>; Maho 2010 <maho@realness.org>; IAEP SugarLabs <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>; voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes <olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org>; olpc bolivia <olpc-bolivia@lists.laptop.org>; OLPC Puno <olpcpuno@gmail.com> Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:53:44 AM Subject: Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Alan Kay <alan.nemo@yahoo.com> wrote: GE is being congratulated for recognizing that the iPhone and iPad are pretty good ideas and technological realizations. But isn't this like the congratulations Bill Gates got for finally recognizing the Internet (about 25 years after it had started working)? > >Seems as though Apple had a lot more on the ball than Bill Gates or GE here >(they used to do computing in the 60s, but couldn't see what it was). > >And most of the ideas at Apple (and for personal computing and the Internet) >came from research funding that no company or government has been willing to do >since 1982. > Alan -- Could you say more about this point? Surely there's been tons of CS and IT funding since '82, both govt funding to universities and massive research budgets at msft, hp, Regards, Chunka Cheers, > >Alan > > > ________________________________ From: Carlos Rabassa <carnen@mac.com> >To: america-latina@squeakland.org; squeakland.org mailing list ><squeakland@squeakland.org>; Maho 2010 <maho@realness.org>; IAEP SugarLabs ><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>; voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios >docentes <olpc-sur@lists.laptop.org>; olpc bolivia ><olpc-bolivia@lists.laptop.org>; OLPC Puno <olpcpuno@gmail.com> >Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 4:11:49 AM >Subject: [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric > >We try to learn from those who have succeed for a long time: > ><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XWm2q8nQ-l5KUJ_PWkQruLDx-nZ7nsKDfg4idDlsU50">https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XWm2q8nQ-l5KUJ_PWkQruLDx-nZ7nsKDfg4idDlsU50</a> > > >Carlos Rabassa >_______________________________________________ >IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org ><a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > _______________________________________________ >squeakland mailing list >squeakland@squeakland.org ><a href="http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland">http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland</a> >