<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">  IAEP Digest, Vol 30, Issue 21 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.8802.1284594821.7153.iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Send IAEP mailing list submissions to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of IAEP digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Versi?n 1) (James Simmons) 2. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Tabitha Roder) 3. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Tim McNamara) 4. Text to Speech in other Activities (was Re: FW: [Olpc-uruguay] MiguelEstudia (Version 1)) (Tim McNamara) 5. Re: [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page (Caryl Bigenho) </pre> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> ------snip----- <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.8802.1284594821.7153.iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:00:54 +1200 From: Tabitha Roder <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tabitha@tabitha.net.nz"><tabitha@tabitha.net.nz></a> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">"pbrobinson@gmail.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com"><pbrobinson@gmail.com></a> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:soas@lists.sugarlabs.org"><soas@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>, Sugar Labs Marketing <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org"><Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>, iaep <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:AANLkTi=dzYuKEEGqE84X5kStWRUmeemeieUzotgg_aoe@mail.gmail.com"><AANLkTi=dzYuKEEGqE84X5kStWRUmeemeieUzotgg_aoe@mail.gmail.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">If we support VIrtualBox we should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve this problem. I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who knows?) and they generally also keep a geek nearby to help them along. My designer type friends who use Macs know what Virtualbox is and will give most things a go on the computer, but also have needed geek help with Sugar installs. Here is what the scenario looks like to me, the teacher: You download Virtualbox (easy) and you download the Sugar image that lets you "try before you buy" (easy). You feel fantastic that you have managed this all by yourself without your geeky friend helping. You play happily for a few hours. Next day you want to show someone else what you have done all by yourself. You then realise you have done something wrong in setting up your Sugar, as it gives you a fresh Sugar and loses all your work and downloaded activities each time you restart.</pre> </blockquote> start virtual box create new appliance select settings and select sugar cd or iso as CD boot order cd, hd start CD boots in Virtualbox: use liveinst (Anaconda) in terminal (root) to install to the default 8 GB HD you created on building the Virtual Machine liveinst (Anaconda screen appears) foreward (choose; time zone;root password, * Use whole disk install when finished  reboot. (change boot order to CD (empty), HD reboot fedora starts; firstboot runs User,name password, smolt report sugar comes up on choose color______ sucess You can export a clone after you shut down <blockquote cite="mid:mailman.8802.1284594821.7153.iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Disappointed, you don't give up, you give it a go with trying to find out what is wrong. Then you get angry and feel a failure. Then you call a geek. Then they mess with your computer, they get on the web and read lots and flick between wiki pages looking muddled. Then they try downloading things and try to fix it. Then they read some more and try to fix some more. Then they get angry. Then there are tears and you say just give me the other computer (this is particularly bad when that one is a Windows machine as that is the sign of complete failure) and everyone forgets the Mac for a few months until someone is brave enough to ask if it works now. Can you tell we have been through this cycle quite a few times here in NZ? I have tried since mid 2008 to work out how Sugar could work on my Mac. It is soul destroying to fail at this repeatedly and a complete put off for teachers who are being brave and trying new approaches with technology. I hand out Sugar on a Stick on USB keys to teachers at loads of events and am often asked if it will work on the school Macs, and I have to say no it won't, and they hand the USB back. Lost opportunities. :-( Tabitha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20100916/a727d0d5/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20100916/a727d0d5/attachment-0001.htm</a> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:34:55 +1200 From: Tim McNamara <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paperless@timmcnamara.co.nz"><paperless@timmcnamara.co.nz></a> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SoaS] [MARKETING] Get Sugar landing page To: SOAS <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:soas@lists.sugarlabs.org"><soas@lists.sugarlabs.org></a>, IAEP <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"><iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org></a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:AANLkTimbdEh_Zfy2sHbeAXWGM0jRLf7_0v3mEdG9s+t-@mail.gmail.com"><AANLkTimbdEh_Zfy2sHbeAXWGM0jRLf7_0v3mEdG9s+t-@mail.gmail.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 16 September 2010 09:00, Tabitha Roder <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tabitha@tabitha.net.nz"><tabitha@tabitha.net.nz></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">If we support VIrtualBox we </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">should probably also support VMWare, Hyper-V, KVM and Xen. Who's going to do all that testing when we have barely the resources to do a single image. Peter </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">I am a teacher of sorts and have been into loads of education institutes from pre school through to tertiary. Apple is everywhere so we have to solve this problem. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Apple designs vertically integrated systems. If schools & teachers decide to adopt this philosophy, they take the risk that they can't use external stuff. I don't know if Sugar Labs have the capacity to remedy this. I think that Sugar Labs should focus on making quality software, and push responsibility for adoption downstream to distributions and companies/orgs that want to promote Sugar's adoption. I'm sorry for my lack of sympathy, but I don't see Sugar running natively on a Mac platform as a priority for Sugar Labs. It's a priority, but we have many priorities and few resources. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I use Virtualbox and have a geek master to turn to for help when I need it. I have not heard of those other virtual machine things and all the teachers I know that have tried a virtual machine have done so with Virtualbox or something called bootcamp (which might not even be a virtual machine, who knows?) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> You're right there, Boot Camp[1] is not virtualisation. It is more like an installer to make things easier for people to install a second operating system. It assists people with repartitioning their hard drives and so forth. I think that Boot Camp is a good route to investigate if someone has the energy. Perhaps some intrepid Mac users could adapt current tutorials[3] for Sugar. Tim [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/">http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/</a> [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootCamp</a> [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp">http://www.helium.com/items/421906-how-to-install-linux-on-an-intel-mac-with-boot-camp</a> [note: marketing list removed from discussion] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20100916/43663d4d/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20100916/43663d4d/attachment-0001.htm</a> ------------------------------ </pre> </blockquote> -----snip-----  IAEP Digest, Vol 30, Issue 21 </body> </html>