<html> <head> <style></style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'> Hi...<div> </div><div>I love Sean's idea of listing and linking to resources from deployments around the world. With Google Translate these are accessible to everyone regardless of their language. </div><div> </div><div>I would also like to see some of the Activities that are "living" back on the old OLPC wiki under "Activities All" listed on the Sugar Labs wiki as well.  I had given up on finding the Star Chart Activity after searching every way I could think of on the Sugar Labs Activities list. Finally I stumbled on it and several other useful science related Activities back on the OLPC wiki.  I was looking for them for the Big Sky Science Partnership for Montana Reservation Schools (Montana State U and the Crow and Northern Cheyenne). They are doing a small Contributors Program project.</div><div> </div><div>Sharing resources is nice!</div><div> </div><div>Caryl > From: sdaly.be@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:15:37 -0400 > To: bernie@sugarlabs.org > CC: mel@melchua.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOBs] F11+0.88+XO1.* as a SL project > > The OLPCNews commenter in question is anti-Sugar and believes all of > our resources should be supporting OLPC and its deployments (and none > elsewhere). > > I haven't seen any evidence that there is a perception problem that we > are biased towards certain vendors. If anything, the perception is > that we are "the software on the $100 laptop". We may have issues the > day we are referenced on the CMPC, Dell or HP edu netbooks, but that > hasn't happened yet. > > For my part I think listing projects is a fine idea, it shows our tent > is big and welcoming. We just need to very clear that we don't provide > "tech support" for these projects. > > Sugar on a Stick has been an important part of our outreach since it > lowers the unfamiliarity and installation barriers. However, we have > often referred to other projects in our communications, among them > Paraguay Educa, Plan Ceibal, and the Palestine Education Initiative. > Some of these projects have marketing/PR people who are always pleased > to work with us. > > While we're at it, we could list Sugar deployments, too, since they > often have Sugar information and documentation of interest, e.g. > http://www.ceibal.edu.uy/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=107&Itemid=268 > , an XO manual with many pages presenting Sugar. > > Sean > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bernie Innocenti <bernie@sugarlabs.org> wrote: > > El Fri, 25-06-2010 a las 13:23 -0400, Mel Chua escribió: > > > >> 2. cjb and tomeu and mchua are wondering whether that infrastructure > >> access (which you *don't* need SL project status for!) was what the > >> project was asking for, or if there was anything more to the request to > >> become an "official project" - what resources, specifically, would they > >> want from SL that they think becoming a "SL project" will grant them? > >> Bernie, can you respond? > > > > In addition to the hosting and bandwidth, I would like to ask for > > permission to add a link to F11-0.88 to the wiki sidebar, below SoaS. > > > > Cjb said that it was not an issue for OLPC, but Tomeu was still > > concerned that other downstream projects could be negatively affected by > > our endorsement of an XO distribution. What makes us look really biased > > is having just SoaS in our Projects side-bar. > > > > In fact, I exchanged a few emails with a F11-0.88 tester who refused to > > file activity bugs on bugs.sugarlabs.org because "I'm not interested in > > how Sugar runs on desktop machines (nor on Ubuntu, etc.)" :-( > > > > This comment of an OLPCNews reader is even more eloquent: > > > >  http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/the_best_xo_laptop_operating_s.html#comment-296246 > > > > > > We seem to have a problem of perception of SL being biased towards > > specific vendors. To fix that, we could either choose to stop working > > with anyone, or we could offer the same service level to any downstream > > project asking for Sugar Labs hosting. Currently, our infrastructure is > > also hosting these partners: > > > >  * OLE - http://www.ole.org > >  * OLE Nepal - http://olenepal.org/ > >  * Paraguay Educa (some services) > >  * Karma - http://karma.sugarlabs.org > >  * Somos Azucar - http://somosazucar.org > >  * GCompris (only the git repository) > >  * ZeroInstall (only a package repository) > > > > I would personally *love* to give more visibility to all of these > > through links in our wiki. Only Karma and GCompris would really qualify > > as hosted Projects. The others are partnering organizations. OLE Nepal > > should really be a Local Lab. > > > > As far as I'm concerned, we could even extend the same invitation to > > other Sugar related projects that are being hosted at disparate, obscure > > locations: eXe, Trisquel Sugar, Ubuntu Sugar Remix... > > > > Mel asked an interesting question: what exactly is a Project? Some time > > ago, David Farning studied the issue and posted a criteria for endorsing > > sub-projects modeled after the Eclipse and Apache models, two very large > > and very successful umbrella projects. > > > > In two years of Infrastructure Team coordination, I don't remember ever > > refusing any hosting, syndication or account request. Why? Because I > > believe that "Stop Energy" fundamentally hurts organizations like ours. > > We've been quite successful at hosting activities because there's almost > > zero stop energy in the way of contributors. The same could happen in > > other areas as well. > > > > Unlike a business, we don't need to focus their resources just on > > revenue-making activities. Our fuel actually comes from contributors, > > there's rarely anything to gain by telling them to go away. > > > > -- > >   // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > >  \X/  Sugar Labs       - http://sugarlabs.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SLOBs mailing list > > SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep </div> </body> </html>