<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I just discovered a nice feature of rawhide nightly builds <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/education/">http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/education/</a> ====================================== test F12 for dd functionality dd if=education-i386-20090917.16.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=4k 402432+0 records in 402432+0 records out 1648361472 bytes (1.6 GB) copied, 233.045 s, 7.1 MB/s ====================================== to a 4GB SD creates a bootable SD of gnome and F11.93 and a whole collection of educational apps. Plus:sugar-emulator brings up sugar-desktop.   this is a live system so it corrupts if a full update is attempted. Uses 63% of 4 GB SD. Is this sugar on a stick?  or  Sugar Desktop plus Gnome on a stick. It has live system and Fedora F12 but.... This one I am unsure of the answer. What do you think? Thomas C Gilliard wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4AB423D1.6000603@bendbroadband.com" type="cite"> Martin Dengler wrote: <blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote:   <blockquote type="cite">There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or what it's goals (use cases) should be.     </blockquote> I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a dangerous thing to say in the face of the somewhat amusing ambiguigty of trying to talk about "that thing whose identity we can't agree upon". When I say "SoaS" I mean the direct result of the build process using a version of the code contained in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline">http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline</a> , which I believe a) is what Sebastian Dziallas means by "SoaS", and b) what Chris Ball means by "SoaS-Fedora".  So let there be no ambiguity about that. "SoaS" in this sense is something worked on by a few people but clearly led by Sebastien and supported by a host of SL and non-SL people. If you wish to point out that "consensus of what SoaS is is lacking amongst many people that haven't helped with SoaS (not Sugar) except by perhaps proferring opinions about how it should be built/used/marketed/designed", well, I can't think of much constructive to say.  There's a place for that consensus-building, but it's not this thread. If you wish to change the subject, let's change the subject line as is customary.   <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">I ... don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB to any distribution.         </blockquote> What is "Sugar LiveUSB"?  Is it SoaS?       </blockquote> That's my question.     </blockquote> Ok, so the autistic answer is: Sugar LiveUSB does exist - or rather, at least two things calling themselves that do.  Look at the second and third google hit for 'sugar live usb' (no quotes). A </blockquote> I just tested this hour:     <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso">http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso</a> it can be used as a CD with sugar 0.84.2 or as a live USB by doing the command from root terminal: ================== dd if=openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=4k 104704+0 records in 104704+0 records out 428867584 bytes (429 MB) copied, 34.6956 s, 12.4 MB/s =================== you get a live usb of sugar in that much time! this is still not Soas but "opensuse Live Sugar Desktop on a Stick" (with 50 applications) (cyberorg and nubae did this work.) <blockquote type="cite">sugar-live-image-built-on-opensuse (I don't know the name) exists.  I am certain there are other sugar-live-image-built-from-some-big-linux-distros but also don't know their names.  A quick google search shows a number of promising results. "What is SoaS?" is either tautological or confusing.  I appreciate that some of the implications I think you want to raise are issues that can be usefully discussed but I think if we attempt to fork off a broad discusion from a specific and big discussion and cover wide stretches of unfamiliar ground no constructive progress is going to be made.  So let's discuss precise questions in the appropriate forums.   <blockquote type="cite">So far Strawberry (and it's variants, successors) is the only LiveUSB environment that I know of that makes Sugar the default UI     </blockquote> I mention some others above.   <blockquote type="cite">If someone takes any of a number of other LiveUSB environments and makes Sugar the default, will that be SoaS (but not Strawberry)[?]     </blockquote> Not at present as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not anybody with much of a claim to that name, but I suspect even those that do would answer the same.   <blockquote type="cite">Maybe Sugoppix? :-)     </blockquote> Heh.   <blockquote type="cite">I hope that I have clarified somewhat.     </blockquote> Thanks.  Likewise.   <blockquote type="cite">Bill Bogstad     </blockquote> Martin   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a>   </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> <hr size="4" width="90%"> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>