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I just discovered a nice feature of rawhide nightly builds<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/education/">http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/education/</a><br>
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test F12 for dd functionality<br>
<br>
dd if=education-i386-20090917.16.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=4k<br>
402432+0 records in<br>
402432+0 records out<br>
1648361472 bytes (1.6 GB) copied, 233.045 s, 7.1 MB/s<br>
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to a 4GB SD creates a bootable SD of gnome and F11.93<br>
and a whole collection of educational apps.<br>
<br>
Plus:sugar-emulator brings up sugar-desktop.<br>
<br>
this is a live system so it corrupts if a full update is attempted.<br>
<br>
Uses 63% of 4 GB SD.<br>
<br>
Is this sugar on a stick?<br>
or<br>
Sugar Desktop plus Gnome on a stick.<br>
<br>
It has live system and Fedora F12 but....<br>
<br>
This one I am unsure of the answer. What do you think?<br>
<br>
<br>
Thomas C Gilliard wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4AB423D1.6000603@bendbroadband.com" type="cite"><br>
<br>
Martin Dengler wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400,
Bill Bogstad wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">There seems to be a lack of consensus of
what SoaS actually is or
<br>
what it's goals (use cases) should be.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a
<br>
dangerous thing to say in the face of the somewhat amusing ambiguigty
<br>
of trying to talk about "that thing whose identity we can't agree
<br>
upon".
<br>
<br>
When I say "SoaS" I mean the direct result of the build process using
<br>
a version of the code contained in
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline">http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline</a> , which I believe a) is what
<br>
Sebastian Dziallas means by "SoaS", and b) what Chris Ball means by
<br>
"SoaS-Fedora". So let there be no ambiguity about that.
<br>
<br>
"SoaS" in this sense is something worked on by a few people but
<br>
clearly led by Sebastien and supported by a host of SL and non-SL
<br>
people.
<br>
<br>
If you wish to point out that "consensus of what SoaS is is lacking
<br>
amongst many people that haven't helped with SoaS (not Sugar) except
<br>
by perhaps proferring opinions about how it should be
<br>
built/used/marketed/designed", well, I can't think of much
<br>
constructive to say. There's a place for that consensus-building, but
<br>
it's not this thread.
<br>
<br>
If you wish to change the subject, let's change the subject line as is
<br>
customary.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I ... don't think we can leave Sugar
LiveUSB to any distribution.
<br>
</blockquote>
What is "Sugar LiveUSB"? Is it SoaS?
<br>
</blockquote>
That's my question.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Ok, so the autistic answer is: Sugar LiveUSB does exist - or rather,
<br>
at least two things calling themselves that do. Look at the second
<br>
and third google hit for 'sugar live usb' (no quotes). A
<br>
</blockquote>
I just tested this hour:
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso">http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso</a>
<br>
it can be used as a CD with sugar 0.84.2 or as a live USB by doing the
command from root terminal:
<br>
==================
<br>
dd if=openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso of=/dev/sdg
bs=4k
<br>
104704+0 records in
<br>
104704+0 records out
<br>
428867584 bytes (429 MB) copied, 34.6956 s, 12.4 MB/s
<br>
===================
<br>
you get a live usb of sugar in that much time!
<br>
this is still not Soas but "opensuse Live Sugar Desktop on a Stick"
(with 50 applications)
<br>
(cyberorg and nubae did this work.)
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">sugar-live-image-built-on-opensuse (I don't
know the name) exists. I
<br>
am certain there are other
<br>
sugar-live-image-built-from-some-big-linux-distros but also don't know
<br>
their names. A quick google search shows a number of promising
<br>
results.
<br>
<br>
"What is SoaS?" is either tautological or confusing. I appreciate
<br>
that some of the implications I think you want to raise are issues
<br>
that can be usefully discussed but I think if we attempt to fork off a
<br>
broad discusion from a specific and big discussion and cover wide
<br>
stretches of unfamiliar ground no constructive progress is going to be
<br>
made. So let's discuss precise questions in the appropriate forums.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">So far Strawberry (and it's variants,
successors) is the only
<br>
LiveUSB environment that I know of that makes Sugar the default UI
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I mention some others above.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">If someone takes any of a number of other
LiveUSB environments and
<br>
makes Sugar the default, will that be SoaS (but not Strawberry)[?]
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Not at present as far as I'm concerned. I'm not anybody with much of
<br>
a claim to that name, but I suspect even those that do would answer
<br>
the same.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Maybe Sugoppix? :-)
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Heh.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I hope that I have clarified somewhat.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Thanks. Likewise.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Bill Bogstad
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Martin
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