<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Gary C Martin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gary@garycmartin.com">gary@garycmartin.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hi Bill,<div class="im"><br> <br> On 7 Sep 2009, at 12:09, Bill Kerr wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I can't see any way to load 2 instances on the SoaS version<br> <br> If I have a project loaded, saved and named<br> Then go into the journal and try to load an older saved version then it doesn't load but puts me back to the current open version<br> I have to first close the current version and then open the older version to get it<br> </blockquote> <br></div> This is not a bug with TurtleArt. It's (in my view) the major design backfire that is the "Keep" button... Keep is not like a copy, duplicate or 'save as' file operation in other OS environments. Sugars "Keep" is actually a (bad) attempt at "Keep version snap shot", unfortunately no where in the Journal UI is this visually indicated/referenced. Think of "Keep" a little like non-linear undo states stored to Journal.<br> <br> The problem with all this is that Sugar currently treats all versions you "Keep" from an activity as the same activity. You can only have one of the versions active at once, this is what you're seeing when you try to resume (what you think is another old activity is actually a version) and Sugar switches to the current version of it you already have open.<br> <br> To create fresh new activities, you need to:<br> <br> 1) start new activity<br> 2) create masterpiece<br> 3) stop activity<br> 4) goto step 1<br> <br> If you ever find yourself clicking "Keep" give your self a small jab in the hand with a sharp protractor ;-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>hi gary,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm doing some of the barry newell 40 shapes challenge I posted on another thread</div> <div><br></div><div>Some of the shapes are related to other shapes</div><div>eg. after I do shape 6 then I want to Keep that as BN6 then use it again to make BN7, etc</div><div>So I change the name in the box from BN6 to BN7 and click Keep</div> <div>It does work similar to Save As ...</div><div>If I go to the Journal and click the arrow on the right the image represents the different versions</div><div>But the confusion arises when I try to open an old version and just get back to the currently open version</div> <div><br></div><div>So I can achieve something like Save As ... but can't achieve opening two versions at once, as you say</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> In every release of Sugar to date, "Keep" == horrible design failure, even for the upcoming 0.86. The problem is "the real deal" (true versioning) is always just over the horizon, like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and the blasted button some how makes it through (and causes way more grief then it ever solves as the common use case is "I want a duplicate copy of this").<br> <br> Regards,<br> --Gary<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"> Also if I am working on a project and remember an idea from a sample project then I can't just load the sample view the idea and then quickly return to my current project to implement there<br> I have to close current project, then open sample and view idea, then close sample, then reopen current project, etc.<br> <br> Please correct if I am wrong about this<br></div> _______________________________________________<br> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)<br> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a><br> </blockquote> <br> </blockquote></div><br><br>